Who did Ron Paul vote for?

[BamaAla]

We should totally turn this into another abortion thread.

I'd venture a guess that he voted either Johnson or Goode if he cast one at all or didn't write himself in.

 

[Confederate]

I would respectfully suggest that perhaps Dr. Paul has a more thoroughly considered position on the issue.

He's philosophically inconsistent. If you believe life begins at conception then the right to life begins there as well. To claim that you would give a woman a shot that will kill that unborn person means you are not pro-life.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread further.

I honestly think Ron Paul didn't bother voting for president. Can't see him voting for Gary Johnson and I don't think he'd trust Goode after looking at his record in congress.

 

[erowe1]

if he cast one at all or didn't write himself in.

He definitely didn't write himself in.

 

[sailingaway]

He's philosophically inconsistent. If you believe life begins at conception then the right to life begins there as well. To claim that you would give a woman a shot that will kill that unborn person means you are not pro-life.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread further.

I honestly think Ron Paul didn't bother voting for president. Can't see him voting for Gary Johnson and I don't think he'd trust Goode after looking at his record in congress.

Ron doesn't think it does kill after conception the way he would use it. He says it takes up to two weeks for conception to occur and if someone came to him the next day he would give this estrogen shot that PREVENTS conception from occurring. There is no way to prove, scientifically, if conception occurred before then, but it would be very unusual, and given this, he considers that stopping conception not ending life post conception.

Similarly, birth control pills stop conception from occurring to begin with.

 

[sailingaway]

OMG, Ron Paul is a monster!

He clearly meant if it was really rape, not just claimed as rape when the mother regretted what she had done, some distant time later. Real rape she would know happened right away. There is up to a two week window before conception occurs.

 

[green73]

He clearly meant if it was really rape, not just claimed as rape when the mother regretted what she had done, some distant time later. Real rape she would know happened right away. There is up to a two week window before conception occurs.

Sorry, it was sarcasm.

 

[Occam's Banana]

If you believe that life begins at conception [abortifacients] are murder.

This is a non sequitur. If you believe that life begins at conception (however defined), then the subsequent effective use of an abortifacient is homicide. Whether it is also murder (and if so, in what degree) is debatable.

 

[sailingaway]

This is a non sequitur. If you believe that life begins at conception (however defined), then the subsequent effective use of an abortifacient is homicide. Whether it is also murder (and if so, in what degree) is debatable.

here is a view on what is an abortificant and what isn't, based on whether it is considered to be controception (as with Plan B estrogen shots) or to cause abortion, per this article: http://ncronline.org/blogs/grace-margins/what-abortifacient-and-what-it-isnt

doubtless views differ, but Ron acts based on his own views, developed as an OB/gyn.

 

[TheGrinch]

This is a non sequitur. If you believe that life begins at conception (however defined), then the subsequent effective use of an abortifacient is homicide. Whether it is also murder (and if so, in what degree) is debatable.

See this is the exact misconception that allows for liberals to call pro-lifers hypocritical murderers for masterbating.

Intercourse and sperm are not exclusive with conception, that's the meeting of a sperm and an egg. So taking preventative measures for the sperm and egg to not meet in an unplanned pregnancy is certainly not murder or inconsistent with a pro-life view. It's merely helping to ensure that one sperm meets the same fate of the (thousands?) of other ones that don't fertilize an egg....

And since I don't think anyone is willing to argue that a sperm is any more a form of life worth protecting than any other individual basic cell or organism that dies, I do not think it's at all the same as protecting what's created when a sperm and egg meet in conception. Without conception, I just don't see how you can treat that 1 sperm as any more worth saving then the thousands of other microcosms that are "murdered" without conception (including hair or dead skin cells even).

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Back in action

 

[Occam's Banana]

here is a view on what is an abortificant and what isn't, based on whether it is considered to be controception (as with Plan B estrogen shots) or to cause abortion, per this article: http://ncronline.org/blogs/grace-margins/what-abortifacient-and-what-it-isnt

doubtless views differ, but Ron acts based on his own views, developed as an OB/gyn.

Abortion isn't one of my "hot button" issues, but based on everything I've heard RP say about about the matter, I agree with him pretty much 100 percent.

There are numerous possible & reasonably defensible positions on what does or not constitute an abortifacient, when conception does or does not occur, etc.

And that is just the beginning. Besides those seemingly intractable issues, there is the question of what kind of homicide(s) we are dealing with - a question which depends on a variety of circumstances (murder? manslaughter? self-defense? some brand new category? some combination of these things?). And then there's the matter of what, if any, restitutions/punishments are appropriate.

All excellent reasons why government - especially at the federal level - should not have much if any say in the matter.

 

[liveandletlive]

i believe he voted for Gary Johnson....

 

[FrankRep]

He was endorsing 3rd party candidates back in 2008 so I guess he did vote for Johnson.

Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.