Who are the people who called up and harrased the town clerk of Sutton, NH?

[slantedview]

harrassing the lady is one thing, but leaving her completely alone? her office fucked up. of course they need to hear about it. elections are serious business.

 

[NoMoreApathy]

Maybe we need to launch some of these "agent provocateurs". I won't do it, though, because I consider it underhanded. a crutch

It wouldn't work for us anyway. Number 1, it wouldn't be covered by the media, and number 2, it wouldn't be as believable, because now WE'RE looked at as the crazy loony assholes.

 

[traitorist]

i have asked simple questions of local govt and have had it falsely exaggerated and labeled "harassment." asking questions has become unpatriotic you know. my guess is that is the same thing that is happening here. they are just pissed off that people are finally noticing the corruption and complacency that has been under the radar for so long.

keep up the pressure. ask questions. demand answers.

 

[rpfan2008]

This lady is lying. She probably got SWAMPED by calls, and some of the calls were from media as well, about Ron Pauls missing votes. Shes angry about it, so shes claiming she was threatened etc.. And she's acting like its no big deal, just "human error". This is a HUGE deal.

absolutely

Paul actually got a whopping 31 votes.

Out of 920 cast

...Paul's 31 votes got lost in the shuffle

..got skipped, or maybe I missed it. It was that simple

lets ask him/her, how many votes should have really 'mattered'.

How can she be sure that all were Ron Paul supporters?
There may be several such incidents in future and will be attributed to Ron Paul supporters by default.

The guys who called/ "harassed" her they did so because they feared their votes lost. Their votes, not Ron Paul's, anyone supporting anybody could have done that, what they want to potray us as..psychos? Why he meant that only Ron Paul supporters can do that??
Superficially how will people know that the error is a deliberate one or just a 'simple' human error??

...most of these people are not rational

 

[paulitics]

We should be able to tell the agent provocateurs from the average ron paul supporters. If someone should behave in this way, the red flag should immediately go up to tell us that it does not represent us. The problem is I can't tell the difference.

Many of us are doing exactly what an agent provocateur would do to marginalize a group. I've seen it too many times to believe they are all agent provocateurs. Now half of us can't see that throwing snowballs, chasing people down, verbally harassing, and screaming conspiracy at everything is destructive. So I will use another example from another campaign.

Recently at a a Hillary speech, some clowns in the audience acted like "agent provocateurs". They told her to go home and iron some shirts, which riled the crowd up against these people. The women were especially ouraged, becase it is a political hot button. This played over and over in the news, and ended up in a net gain for Hillary. So, Hillary's most ardent protestors, may have helped her win NH.

Every time one of our incidents breaks through the news, it reiterates in people's minds that we are wacky, angry, radical people. I think people are reaching a tipping point, where their mind is going to BLOCK OUT anything Ron Paul releated. What a tragedy.

ANother eample is the 911 truthers, who go around chanting "inside job" at high profile events, like getting in Bill Clinton's face, etc. Now I'm not against the movement, and have serious questions myself, but the way these people act remind me of a movement completley taken over by agent provocateres. Their movement is small enough to where it is possible, and the net result is people hate them, and therefore the message is marginalized. If you take yourself out of your libertarian, Ron Paul loving, bias, you should understand that a large number of us have in effect done the job of agent provocateur.. Now go on and bash me as a collectivist thinking, freedom hating, troll, for being a realist.

 

[Lord Xar]

The votes weren't lost. According to the article it was a clerical error which was corrected the next morning.

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It was a clerical error that was reported as 100% correct AND it was ONLY changed once the uproar started. You would think ANYBODY would see a zero and say "hmm, that looks odd LET ME DOUBLE CHECK"...

 

[Swmorgan77]

I read this article about how there was a clerical error on Ron Paul's 31 votes in Sutton, NH and how people were calling, complaining to, hrrassing and even threatening the town clerk of Sutton, NH. What are some people's problems? This kind of stuff seems to come out of Ron Paul supporters all the time. I mean, e-mailing Fox News or CBS or Howard Stern to get them to support Ron Paul is one thing, but harassing individual people like the town clerk of some place in NH is ridiculous! I also also remember people were harrasing the guy who ran some debate in August in Iowa in which Ron Paul was excluded. And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity? How did this culture of harassment get put into place with Ron Paul's supporters? It's ironic but for supporters of a candidate who is against threatening and bullying potential enemies of our country, his supporters sure do a hell of a job of threatening and bulling enemies and non-enemies of their candidate.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/FRONTPAGE/801120412/1043/NEWS01

There was a lot of spin in that story, I'm sure most people who called were civil. The media wants to make this all emotional. Ms. Call, if you can't handle the trauma of voters being interested in your mistake, then you're in the wrong line of work.

 

[Swmorgan77]

i have asked simple questions of local govt and have had it falsely exaggerated and labeled "harassment." asking questions has become unpatriotic you know. my guess is that is the same thing that is happening here. they are just pissed off that people are finally noticing the corruption and complacency that has been under the radar for so long.

keep up the pressure. ask questions. demand answers.

You've gotta love it. We ask them questions aobut the votes and complying with election laws and they call it "harrassment".

Meanwhile we can be harrassed and questioned by police without even a statement of charges or probable cause and noone calls it "harrassment".

 

[RickyJ]

This kind of stuff seems to come out of Ron Paul supporters all the time.

Really? I have never seen it. I think you are mistaking Ron Paul supporters with Huckabee supporters. My bet is you are a Huckabee supporter.

 

[RickyJ]

This is all the more reason for the campaign to step it up. The grassroots is trying to fill the gaps in what they see the campaign not doing.

The official campaign doesn't seem to have a clue what they are doing. I have a feeling that Ron is sticking with them out of some sense of loyalty that they don't deserve.

 

[defcreative]

I have a feeling that Ron is sticking with them out of some sense of loyalty that they don't deserve.

I have to agree.

 

[rpfan2008]

Really? I have never seen it. I think you are mistaking Ron Paul supporters with Huckabee supporters. My bet is you are a Huckabee supporter.

a 'Member' with 29 post!!
Must be a HQ insider, I guess no need to worry.

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

You would think ANYBODY would see a zero and say "hmm, that looks odd LET ME DOUBLE CHECK"...

Exactly.. That was the first thing I was thinking about, when I saw that news.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

No matter what the case, the woman didn't deserve to be harassed. People are very quick to jump to conclusions; the woman admitted a mistake and it was fixed.

You'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar. Remember it

 

[mrrzstor]

Where's the proof that the woman was harassed? Some random article?

She can't do her job. It's not that complicated. Fuck her.

If she can't even do such a simple job, she's more than likely going to be harassed by anyone just asking her a question. I'm sure it's overwhelming to any pea-brain when they have to answer logical questions. Hell, she probably broke down and cried.

She can also go to hell. Malicious or not, she is incapable of performing menial tasks.

 

[Arramond]

I am so sick of people trying to defend these criminals. THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL YOUR ELECTION YOU FOOLS....... GET MAD!

 

[pcosmar]

Who are the people who called up and harrased the town clerk of Sutton, NH?

Angry Americans that have been robbed of their Constitutional Right to vote and have their vote counted.

I am so sick of people trying to defend these criminals. THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL YOUR ELECTION YOU FOOLS....... GET MAD!

+100 There you go.

No matter what the case, the woman didn't deserve to be harassed. People are very quick to jump to conclusions; the woman admitted a mistake and it was fixed.

You'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar. Remember it

You don't catch bees with honey. You take honey from bees.
You use smoke on bees.
You catch tyrants with laws and truth. Failing that, Pitchforks, torches, and a good rope.

 

[Paulbot_9876]

Who are the people who called up and harrased the town clerk of Sutton, NH?

my 89 year old grandmother was one of them.....

 

[RonPaul_SantaMonica]

she deserved it. I hope she cried herself to sleep.

 

[King Crimson]

Angry Americans that have been robbed of their Constitutional Right to vote and have their vote counted.

The point was that she made an honest mistake. She's not part of some elitist conspiracy again Ron Paul, just a humble public servant who made a simple mistake that was corrected.