Whites now a minority in London

[BAllen]

You are 100 percent correct.

So maybe we should not open the floodgates until we get our shit together, mmmm kay?

God knows it's hard enough work as it is, trying to get native Boobus Americanus to wake the fuck up, without dealing with millions of immigrants every year to "re-educate" as well.

And that's why Congress had regulated immigration levels in the past. They cut it dramatically in the 20's to allow assimilation into our country without subverting it. It was also limited to European immigrants. They clearly did not want our culture to be subverted because they knew people from underdeveloped countries do not understand the concept of freedom, and are easily fooled.

 

[Ender]

And that's why Congress had regulated immigration levels in the past. They cut it dramatically in the 20's to allow assimilation into our country without subverting it. It was also limited to European immigrants. They clearly did not want our culture to be subverted because they knew people from underdeveloped countries do not understand the concept of freedom, and are easily fooled.

Ahhh...yes- only white folks understand freedom.....as they seek to take it from every Third World country in the world.

Some things never change.

In the mid-1880's, some states sent agents to Europe to attract settlers. Railroad companies did the same thing. Better conditions on ships and steep declines in travel time and fares made the voyage across the Atlantic Ocean easier and more affordable. In the mid-1800's news of the discovery of gold in California reached China. Chinese immigrants and sojourners streamed across the Pacific to strike it rich. Sojourners were temporary immigrants who intended to make money and return home. French-Canadian immigrants and sojourners opened still another path to the United States. They moved across the Canadian-U.S. border into the New England states and Michigan.

The flood of immigrants began to alarm many native born Americans. Some feared job competition from foreigners. Others disliked the religion or politics of the newcomers. During the 1850's, the America Party, also called the Know-Nothing Party, demanded laws to reduce immigration and to make it harder for foreigners to become citizens. Although the part soon died out, it reflected the serious concerns of some Americans.

During the 1870's, the U. S. economy suffered a depression while that of Germany and Britain improved. German and British immigration to the Untied States then decreased. But arrivals increased from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, China, Canada, and southern and eastern Europe. In 1875, the United States passed its first restrictive immigration law. It prevented convicts and prostitutes from entering the country. During the late 1870's, Californians demanded laws to keep out Chinese immigrants. In some instances, mobs attacked Chinese immigrants, who were accused of lowering wages and unfair business competition. They were also denounced as inassimilable and as racially inferior.

The third wave was from 1881 to 1920. Almost 23 million immigrants poured into the United States from almost every area of the world. Until the 1880's, most newcomers still came from northern and western Europe. They came to be called old immigrants. Beginning in the 1890's, the majority of arrivals were new immigrants, people from southern and eastern Europe. (Source: The World Book Encyclopedia, Volume 10, Page 82).

More and more native-born Americans believed the swelling flood of immigrants threatened the nation's unity. Hostility which had boiled over against the Chinese in the 1870's now turned against Jews, Roman Catholics, Japanese, and, finally, the new immigrants in general.

In 1882, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, which prohibited Chinese laborers from coming to the United States. That year Congress also began to expand its list of unacceptable immigrants beyond convicts and prostitutes to include such people as beggars, contract laborers, the insane, and unaccompanied minors. A 1917 law required adult immigrants to show they could read and write. The law also excluded immigrants from an area known as the Asiatic Barred Zone, which covered most of Asia and most islands in the Pacific. (Source: The World Book Encyclopedia, Volume 10, Page 82).

 

[erowe1]

And that's why Congress had regulated immigration levels in the past. They cut it dramatically in the 20's to allow assimilation into our country without subverting it. It was also limited to European immigrants. They clearly did not want our culture to be subverted because they knew people from underdeveloped countries do not understand the concept of freedom, and are easily fooled.

I don't want Congress thinking its job includes deciding what we're supposed to assimilate to.

 

[KingRobbStark]

I'm going to quickly summarize those favoring assimilation.

CONFORM! CONFORM! CONFORM!



Fuck you too.

 

[MelissaWV]

How much does time change attitudes? I can say that my friends who are multi-generational Californios are very right-wing, much more so than myself. On the other hand, my first generation "hispanic" American friends tend towards La Raza, Rachel Maddow attitudes. What is the difference? This would indicate that culture, race, and ethnicity don't matter as much as duration in place. If a person identifies with new immigrants or emigrants, they have a certain outsider perspective. If people have been in place for more than one generation, they feel attached to the current (and near past) situation.

What does this all mean? Who knows? People have attitudes which correspond to what they feel is best for themselves and their perceived group. Nothing is fixed. Greed is good. Self-interest rules all. What would Ayn Rand say?

Ayn would probably say something that made me roll my eyes.

You did hit the nail on the head about PERCEIVED GROUP. There is no magical group called "whites" that shares cultural attitudes across all of its glorious variation. There is no magical group, even, that you can peg as "Western Culture." There is an intense desire to pigeonhole people, and it is sad to think of the "whites" folks and how they seem to think there's suddenly solidarity, when not so long in the grand scheme of history it was "Irish need not apply" and the smelly Polish and the nasty stupid immigrants with pale skin smelling like cabbage. Remember them? Of course not. It's now whites vs. non-whites, but non-whites apparently include all manner of pale-skinned, Western-cultured people.

No one thinks about who might be behind this push to differentiate before you get to the meat and potatoes of it all. If people dug down deep before they discarded their neighbors, they might find a freedom-lover. That can't be. It's much easier to dismiss someone as an outsider and shoo them away before you ever get to know them as individuals, especially with limited anecdotal evidence to back it up. Who could benefit from that?

People cling to their perceived group. They clump and herd and make themselves all the easier to predict and control while doing it. These kinds of articles play right into it, and it pains me to watch people I otherwise respect jeering at the idea of "mixing" with those unlike them. Like me.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We're a minority in Texas too. Changing demographics /shrug.

Illegal aliens.

 

[Petar]

I for one welcome our new Esperanto speaking overlords.

 

[AuH20]

I'm going to quickly summarize those favoring assimilation.

CONFORM! CONFORM! CONFORM!

Fuck you too.

Take a step towards us and we'll take a step towards you. It's not difficult to understand. Imagine a huge segment of Americans going to another country, let's say France and then stomping their feet demanding citizenship, lingual aids and other benefits???????? Then proceeding to call the natives "racist" when they wouldn't cede to their demands??? How do you think that would go over???

 

[MelissaWV]

Take a step towards us and we'll take a step towards you. It's not difficult to understand. Imagine a huge segment of Americans going to another country, let's say France and then stomping their feet demanding citizenship, lingual aids and other benefits???????? Then proceeding to call the natives "racist" when they wouldn't cede to their demands??? How do you think that would go over???

It would suck for the people NOT demanding lingual aids and other benefits, especially if they were already born citizens, to be lumped in with those other rude people you spoke of. Now THAT would be pretty racist stuff right there.

But that wouldn't happen in the US or anything.

 

[Petar]

Let's all join internet hands and sing the Esperanto International Anthem:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Ayn would probably say something that made me roll my eyes.

Lol.

...
People cling to their perceived group. They clump and herd and make themselves all the easier to predict and control while doing it. These kinds of articles play right into it, and it pains me to watch people I otherwise respect jeering at the idea of "mixing" with those unlike them. Like me.

Yeah, the title and OP article of this thread kind of guaranteed a discussion of race and ethnicity. Damn libertarians will debate and analyze anything!

 

[MelissaWV]

Lol.



Yeah, the title and OP article of this thread kind of guaranteed a discussion of race and ethnicity. Damn libertarians will debate and analyze anything!

There are much better reinforcing markers than skintone. Even then, half the discussion in this thread was about "culture." Really, it was just about guaranteed to become a pseudo-safe environment to air one's own prejudice.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There are much better reinforcing markers than skintone. Even then, half the discussion in this thread was about "culture." Really, it was just about guaranteed to become a pseudo-safe environment to air one's own prejudice.

Yeah, I put zero value on skin tone.

When it comes to immigration, my primary concern has always been economic. In a booming, expanding economy, immigration can meet demands for additional labor. In a recessing, depressed economy, adding labor makes it worse for most people. Supply and demand.

If the discussion turns to culture, it's less of an issue. But the question does arise as to what is the effect of importing a lot of people with a different mindset. Racism is not an American value (yeah, it has and does happen). What if the people who immigrate are very racist? Can a country be turned into a racist country by importing too many racists?

And I still propose we deport Piers Morgan, for attempting to force his anti-gun culture on us.

 

[BAllen]

Yeah, I put zero value on skin tone.

When it comes to immigration, my primary concern has always been economic. In a booming, expanding economy, immigration can meet demands for additional labor. In a recessing, depressed economy, adding labor makes it worse for most people. Supply and demand.

If the discussion turns to culture, it's less of an issue. But the question does arise as to what is the effect of importing a lot of people with a different mindset. Racism is not an American value (yeah, it has and does happen). What if the people who immigrate are very racist? Can a country be turned into a racist country by importing too many racists?

And I still propose we deport Piers Morgan, for attempting to force his anti-gun culture on us.

This:
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Let's all join internet hands and sing the Esperanto International Anthem:

speaking of Esperanto...

 

[MelissaWV]

Yeah, I put zero value on skin tone.

When it comes to immigration, my primary concern has always been economic. In a booming, expanding economy, immigration can meet demands for additional labor. In a recessing, depressed economy, adding labor makes it worse for most people. Supply and demand.

If the discussion turns to culture, it's less of an issue. But the question does arise as to what is the effect of importing a lot of people with a different mindset. Racism is not an American value (yeah, it has and does happen). What if the people who immigrate are very racist? Can a country be turned into a racist country by importing too many racists?

And I still propose we deport Piers Morgan, for attempting to force his anti-gun culture on us.

The economics should be solved without a care for race or culture. Welfare is ridiculous, though I doubt we'll be instantly rid of it. First, narrow it to citizens (who should in theory either have been taxpayers at some point, or will be again in the future)... then work on stopping most of the programs entirely. Same for "public" schools. Don't have e-verify, but do allow companies to advertise that they hire American, or other such thing. If people care, that is how they'll buy.

So if there is no free wellness care, no free school, no free food, no free/reduced housing, and no decent job to speak of... what happens? I do not expect immigration would stop. I do expect it would be community-based. If there is a community school that pops up, maybe church-backed, which focuses on ESL and American history and maybe even has classes for those who are in citizenship limbo (waiting the dozen years it can take to get approved), then there is a net economic gain. There is rent being paid, there are salaries, there might even be a bus and driver, and a lunchroom, and any number of other things. It becomes a business. If they are harming no one, I do not care if it is insular. If there is harm, it is another matter.

Racists? Pshh. There are oodles of them, and it really doesn't matter. It's when folks grab the pitchforks and throw the baby out with the bathwater that it gets sad. I would still rather people be proudly and openly discriminatory. It makes things much more honest, and easier to avoid.

 

[AuH20]

There are much better reinforcing markers than skintone. Even then, half the discussion in this thread was about "culture." Really, it was just about guaranteed to become a pseudo-safe environment to air one's own prejudice.

Not really. Do you think any of us would be complaining if the new immigrants didn't latch onto the deceptive promises of the super state in large numbers???? It's a cultural issue as opposed to a racial issue. I could take 100 impoverished children from the heart of Africa and raise them to be constitutionally minded citizens, while still retaining a semblance of their original cultural identity. Like I said before, it's the software, not the hardware.

 

[erowe1]

Not really. Do you think any of us would be complaining if the new immigrants didn't latch onto the deceptive promises of the super state in large numbers???? It's a cultural issue as opposed to a racial issue. I could take 100 impoverished children from the heart of Africa and raise them to be constitutionally minded citizens. Like I said before, it's the software, not the hardware.

Every group latches onto those promises in large numbers.

 

[MelissaWV]

Not really. Do you think any of us would be complaining if the new immigrants didn't latch onto the deceptive promises of the super state???? It's a cultural issue as opposed to a racial issue. I could take 100 impoverished children from the heart of Africa and raise them to be constitutionally minded citizens. Like I said before, it's the software, not the hardware.

You would have a hard time with impoverished people from anywhere (including within the United States... take a look at who welfare goes to) when your competition offers free/reduced everything on your dime.

And yes, I do think a significant number would still complain, as they ignorantly do when the person in question speaks another language but doesn't fit the stereotype in any other way. Was there a focus in this thread, or in the myriad others that came before, on changing "the software" as you put it? Or was it about the immigrants flooding in, and one's perception of them as a big herd with the same thoughts and political leanings?

Hell, the OP wasn't even about the US. I stand by my impression of the thread. I predict it will continue on with some wonderful ideas about "fixing" the people who are perceived as the problem, instead of fixing the actual problems.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

This:
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Yep. That exists.

I know Hispanic Americans that are just as opposed to that nonsense as anyone. I know others who grew out of it. I know a couple who still are true believers, and make "white" people jokes all the time (even though they are married to "white" people).