White House Petition: Close down overseas military bases

Y2Jay

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Hi i'm new here. I've thought long and hard about our country's foreign policy and military, and I have come to agree with Ron Paul's stance on these issues. I started up a petition on the White House petitions site to close down overseas military bases and reorient U.S. foreign policy to a noninterventionist, quasi-isolationist one and a defense policy that corresponds to such a foreign policy. I shared it on my Facebook but I don't think my friends really noticed that I posted it, in any case, I'm the only person who has signed it.

I remember the secession petitions, which are considerably more radical and out of the mainstream than the contents of this petition...even those were recognized by the mainstream media, so I thought, why not start a petition on this! If you support the petition, please sign it so it gets to 150, which is the cutoff for it being viewable to the public on the petition site. Here's the link:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/close-all-us-military-bases-foreign-soil/NjX5920K

Some info about me, and a brief story as to how I became a libertarian: I'm 23 years old, and live in Orange County, CA.

I remember being a college student in 2008, and voting for Obama almost without thinking about it. I don't exactly regret my decision, as it was a historic election and in my view he's not exactly a terrible president (it could be worse). I remember hearing about Ron Paul and libertarianism, almost exclusively on the Internet, and I thought it was a fringe movement and it never crossed my mind that it could make any sense. At that time, I didn't really think about politics at all; I was basically apolitical and ignorant about the issues that are so important to our country and our world. I was first made aware of libertarianism through the Tea Party movement, which received a huge amount of coverage in the mainstream media. I began reading more about the housing bubble and ensuing financial crisis, the bailouts, and learned more about our nation's history, and the dots began connecting in my head. I could see that the meddling hand of government and misgovernment, both at home and abroad, was the root cause of much of the ills that our nation is facing, and that mass mobilization at the grassroots level was a key step in the necessary corrections to restore our nation as it was intended. I see this petition as potentially being able to make a difference, and would be very grateful for your support (if it's something you agree with of course).

Thanks and am thrilled to join ronpaulforums,
Jay
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I don't expect it to happen... There was a petition on there not too long ago asking the President to do something to reform our marijuana laws, and it got over 2 million signatures, and the President thumbed his nose at us all.

Still, there's no harm in trying. Signed it. Tomorrow I'll share it on FB in some groups and such. Can't hurt!
 
By the way, just read the end of your post... Welcome to RPF! (And I hope you don't catch too much flack in here for saying Obama isn't too bad... LOL Brace yourself... I sense a tempest coming...)
 
Welcome Y2Jay. The petitions are pretty much show to make people feel involved so they really don't carry any weight on policy.
 
Welcome Y2Jay. The petitions are pretty much show to make people feel involved so they really don't carry any weight on policy.
This. They have petitions as trivial as people wanting the recipe for White House ale. It's mainly so people not regularly up to date with politics can do something they feel may bring a change. None of them go anywhere, not to rain on your parade.

With regards to Obama there has been a lot of things he has done. He had said he would veto NDAA 2012 only to have specifically asked for the power to detain US citizens on presidential authority alone. His administration has expanded this massive drone campaign, which other countries are sure to follow in the footsteps of. He has set a precedent of a change to the meaning of 'imminent threat.' Instead of imminent threat meaning immediate, it no longer has to be. This means that a president on his authority can assassinate or rather order the assassination of anyone that is an enemy combatant. Enemy combatant is solely decided by the president and his adivisors, not by a court. This is troublesome in that for all intents and purposes, one man can order you to be killed, or indefinitely detained. It won't always be a president you may agree with. What if we get a point where political dissidents are put on a kill list for no reason other than they don't agree with their leaders? History proves I am not paranoid, but rather cautious or even informed. History does repeat itself.

There have been other Executive Orders which are troublesome, though previous presidents are just as much to blame. I would encourage you not to define yourself on party lines. There is a bigger corpora-facist state about us. Those with money are robbing us openly. The value of the dollar is declining and the wealth of average Americans is being consolidated to the very rich. Many of these very rich are subsidized by us in the first place. Namely, pharmaceutical companies, banksters, prison lobbies, energy companies, the media. It (the money) really has infected every aspect of our society.

Obama is a shitty president. Simply enough, he lied. Not that McCain would have done anything different or that Romney would have done anything different.

The Creature From Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin
Take the Rich Off Welfare by Mark Zepezauer
Rogue State by William Blum
America's Deadliest Export: Democracy by William Blum
Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII by William Blum

A few books to get you started.
 
I don't exactly regret my decision, as it was a historic election and in my view he's not exactly a terrible president (it could be worse

Obama's policies in 2008 were pretty bad, but at least his foreign policy was reasonable at the time. Not anymore.

Romney wouldn't have been any better. I want Rand '16 so I'm glad Obama won, considering that neither Gary Johnson nor Virgil Goode had any kind of a chance. But Obama is still terrible. Even Jill Stein was pretty good on foreign issues although her economic ideas would have bankrupt the country. With Obama you have the worst of BOTH worlds.
 
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