Which liberty candidate to give to?

[enoch150]

Yeah, it would. That's a hard statistic to gather, as they usually don't do head to head polls in Primary races (other than President).

I added the odds on the one race because we have two candidates for the same office, and there has been enough discussion about that race to get an idea of odds.

I look at in state donations from individual contributors when I can't find any polling.

 

[specsaregood]

Im becoming a fan of Art Robinson for Congress out in Oregon. He sent me his book today just because I donated some money. He seems like the real deal and if he can win a Congressional seat I can see him picking up where RP is leaving off, but with even more fire.

Robinson got wallopped by 11pts in the general election last time (the tea party year even!) What makes you think he has any hope in hell of winning? And that 11pts was the closest any Republican has ever come. The GOP didn't even run a candidate in 2008, its that true blue. Unless redistricting has significantly changed that district, I don't know why one would waste their money. not hating, just saying...

 

[Shotdown1027]

I'd urge you to consider Steve Stockman. Former Congressman (one term), running in a brand new district (no incumbent), which is mostly composed of his old district.

Term limits, gold standard, non-interventionism, auditing the fed, etc--he's with us on all of it. On drugs, he isn't exactly a legalizer, but is probably somewhere close to the Rand/Massie approach. Against the Patriot Act, NDAA, Real ID, etc.

And despite his VERY good chances, he's raised VERY little money. This guy needs money ASAP.

If you want proof of his small government record--look at this link. It ranks every congressman from 1937 - 2004. The top of the list contains Ron Paul, Larry McDonalds, John G. Schmitz, Jeff Flake, and then...Steve Stockman.

 

[rudys_fire]

Hello. I'm a liberty candidate running in North Dakota for State House- one of 60+ featured on Bloomberg BusinessWeek's article titled "Ron Paul's Torchbearers." I have a legitimate chance to win. Less than 25 days away- June 12th. I'm squarely in the crosshairs of the State GOP. I'd like to raise $1,000 so I can have enough for mailings and newspaper inserts. Can you help? http://www.peterson42.com/donate.html

Thanks,

Mike Peterson

 

[devil21]

Robinson got wallopped by 11pts in the general election last time (the tea party year even!) What makes you think he has any hope in hell of winning? And that 11pts was the closest any Republican has ever come. The GOP didn't even run a candidate in 2008, its that true blue. Unless redistricting has significantly changed that district, I don't know why one would waste their money. not hating, just saying...

Strange. If I cared about the numbers I wouldn't have donated to Ron Paul. Neither would you. Hard to mount a campaign if no one donates to you. He's got Ron's endorsement and we need more new voices in Congress. His interview with Maddow was GREAT.

 

[specsaregood]

Strange.

No, not strange, not one little bit. When I started this thread, i was very specific when I said in the very first post:

Which liberty candidate has a good chance of winning and needs that donation?

I looked at it and Robinson doesn't (from what I can tell)

If I cared about the numbers I wouldn't have donated to Ron Paul. Neither would you.

That isn't necessarily true. I love a longshot, but I don't bet ONLY longshots. Even then, Ron Paul's campaign is much more of a vehicle than some unknown congressional campaign nobody else in the country cares about.

Hard to mount a campaign if no one donates to you.

Yes, it is. Even tougher if you live in a district that is allergic to your party label. Unless he got enough money actually pay off over 11% of the electorate then he has no hope just because it is a democrat district.

He's got Ron's endorsement and we need more new voices in Congress. His interview with Maddow was GREAT.

Hey, he seems like a great guy. He'd probably be a good congressman. If he was runnin in a district where a R had a shot --even an outside chance-- I'd most likely donate/support him.

We've gotta learn to be smart about this, there obviously isn't enough $$ and effort to go around everywhere.

 

[enoch150]

Hello. I'm a liberty candidate running in North Dakota for State House- one of 60+ featured on Bloomberg BusinessWeek's article titled "Ron Paul's Torchbearers." I have a legitimate chance to win. Less than 25 days away- June 12th. I'm squarely in the crosshairs of the State GOP. I'd like to raise $1,000 so I can have enough for mailings and newspaper inserts. Can you help? http://www.peterson42.com/donate.html

Thanks,

Mike Peterson

You don't need mailings and newspaper inserts. You need to be holding events on campus. Lots of them.

 

[kuckfeynes]

Karen K. Hands down. Listen to her speeches on YouTube. That is the voice of a true leader of liberty. Sure it may be a bit more of a gamble than others given her opponent's coffers, but the grassroots seems strong, and if successful she will be probably the purest, most directly candid candidate elected since Ron Paul.

 

[enoch150]

Robinson got wallopped by 11pts in the general election last time (the tea party year even!) What makes you think he has any hope in hell of winning? And that 11pts was the closest any Republican has ever come. The GOP didn't even run a candidate in 2008, its that true blue. Unless redistricting has significantly changed that district, I don't know why one would waste their money. not hating, just saying...

Losing by 11% as a first time candidate at that level is not getting wallopped. He's very likely to improve on that and it doesn't take much improvement from that level to be competitive in the race.

 

[specsaregood]

Losing by 11% as a first time candidate at that level is not getting wallopped. He's very likely to improve on that and it doesn't take much improvement from that level to be competitive in the race.

It was a GOP wave cycle though. Look at the history of that district.

 

[Hyperion]

Losing by 11% as a first time candidate at that level is not getting wallopped. He's very likely to improve on that and it doesn't take much improvement from that level to be competitive in the race.

This. I believe the district is D+2 on PVI. That's far from unwinnable as some are saying. Not easy but doable.

 

[enoch150]

Karen K. Hands down. Listen to her speeches on YouTube. That is the voice of a true leader of liberty. Sure it may be a bit more of a gamble than others given her opponent's coffers, but the grassroots seems strong, and if successful she will be probably the purest, most directly candid candidate elected since Ron Paul.

I don't see a way for Karen Kwiatkowski to win. Richard Mack seems popular with conservatives going back to his time suing the Clinton administration. He could get a lot of votes just by putting up a thousand signs that say "Sheriff Richard Mack for Congress". Dan O'Connor speaks fluent Chinese in a district that includes Chinatown. His opponent doesn't. Mack and O'Connor at least have something to work with, even if they're long shots. The only thing I can see Kwiatkowski have going for her is to try and get large numbers of Democrats to vote for her in the open Republican primary. In a district that's heavily Republican. I don't see how that could work. I don't even consider her a long shot.

 

[Hyperion]

Stockman is a great pick. The GOP nomination is the election and he's got great positions on monetary and foreign policy. We really should have given him a subforum.

 

[kuckfeynes]

I don't see a way for Karen Kwiatkowski to win. Richard Mack seems popular with conservatives going back to his time suing the Clinton administration. He could get a lot of votes just by putting up a thousand signs that say "Sheriff Richard Mack for Congress". Dan O'Connor speaks fluent Chinese in a district that includes Chinatown. His opponent doesn't. Mack and O'Connor at least have something to work with, even if they're long shots. The only thing I can see Kwiatkowski have going for her is to try and get large numbers of Democrats to vote for her in the open Republican primary. In a district that's heavily Republican. I don't see how that could work. I don't even consider her a long shot.

I don't know, from what I've seen polling is pretty much non-existent in her district. You're probably right, but her philosophic purity and directness to me are unique qualities and ones that should be rewarded regardless. Call me an idealist I guess, but I didn't end up here because of the odds...

 

[enoch150]

I don't know, from what I've seen polling is pretty much non-existent in her district. You're probably right, but her philosophic purity and directness to me are unique qualities and one that should be rewarded regardless. Call me an idealist I guess, but I didn't end up here because of the odds...

Protip: Dan O'Connor is more ideologically pure than Karen Kwiatkowski.

O'Connor says he supports free markets. He gave his definition of free market in an article on the free market Internet: “If patent-protection laws, taxes, and legal-tender laws were completely eliminated from the internet, we would then see a purely free market.” http://mises.org/daily/3766

The worst that can be said of O'Connor is that he supports school vouchers.

The worst that can be said of Karen Kwiatkowski is that she supports the Fair tax.

O'Connor wins.

Kwiatkowski is more ideologically pure than Thomas Massie, though. She's probably about as pure as Art Robinson.

It's tough to judge Richard Mack's purity vs. Kwitkowski because Mack avoids certain subjects. I haven't found anything wrong with Mack, just that there were a few holes (mostly economic), last time I checked.

 

[Shotdown1027]

Stockman is a great pick. The GOP nomination is the election and he's got great positions on monetary and foreign policy. We really should have given him a subforum.

Tell me about it. When the guy first went to Congress (one term), he defeated a GOP incumbent (I believe) after being outspent 12-1. I really don't get why he hasn't gotten the Paul endorsement. I know he's sought it.

 

[specsaregood]

Protip: Dan O'Connor is more ideologically pure than Karen Kwiatkowski.

O'Connor says he supports free markets. He gave his definition of free market in an article on the free market Internet: “If patent-protection laws, taxes, and legal-tender laws were completely eliminated from the internet, we would then see a purely free market.” http://mises.org/daily/3766

The worst that can be said of O'Connor is that he supports school vouchers.

The worst that can be said of Karen Kwiatkowski is that she supports the Fair tax.

O'Connor wins.

Kwiatkowski is more ideologically pure than Thomas Massie, though. She's probably about as pure as Art Robinson.

It's tough to judge Richard Mack's purity vs. Kwitkowski because Mack avoids certain subjects. I haven't found anything wrong with Mack, just that there were a few holes (mostly economic), last time I checked.

Which ideology are you basing this upon?

 

[LimitedGovernment]

Protip: Dan O'Connor is more ideologically pure than Karen Kwiatkowski.

O'Connor says he supports free markets. He gave his definition of free market in an article on the free market Internet: “If patent-protection laws, taxes, and legal-tender laws were completely eliminated from the internet, we would then see a purely free market.” http://mises.org/daily/3766

The worst that can be said of O'Connor is that he supports school vouchers.

The worst that can be said of Karen Kwiatkowski is that she supports the Fair tax.

O'Connor wins.

Kwiatkowski is more ideologically pure than Thomas Massie, though. She's probably about as pure as Art Robinson.

It's tough to judge Richard Mack's purity vs. Kwitkowski because Mack avoids certain subjects. I haven't found anything wrong with Mack, just that there were a few holes (mostly economic), last time I checked.

Do ratings of liberty candidates not take into account their personalities and approaches to political discussions? Because Art Robinson is disturbing.

 

[enoch150]

Which ideology are you basing this upon?

Radical libertarian.

 

[enoch150]

Do ratings of liberty candidates not take into account their personalities and approaches to political discussions? Because Art Robinson is disturbing.

I don't take into account personalities, just positions. And there are some positions I ignore, like abortion and term limits.