Which delegate site is right, ours or Anson's?

[tiffanyras]

LA is wrong, according to Jenn. There probably are some incorrect states on it.

But how is LA wrong if it doesn't even have a LA delegate page? It only has their contact info! Again, it's incumbent on everyone to contact the right people. If you read the site, it gives 3 options on who to contact. I see nothing wrong with that.

This site is ONLY to get people started as a delegate NOT the entire process for each state.

 

[fortilite]

This argument is useless. I think we can all work together on bringing accurate, simple to understand steps for each state.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I like step by steps, I think they have the best chances of getting the most people to become delegates.

In MOST states (primaries generally) this is how one becomes a "delegate candidate" to the national nominating convention for Ron Paul: the campaign puts your name down on their list and files it with the state board of elections. That is how I did it for the official campaign as their DC volunteer ballot access coordinator. That is how it happens in Texas too

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[tiffanyras]

This argument is useless. I think we can all work together on bringing accurate, simple to understand steps for each state.

I agree; Thank you for your prudence and understanding, fortilite. I'll leave this thread now. Thank you all for posting.

 

[reduen]

I think Bradley has me on ignore but for those of you that do not. I know very little about the Delegate process myself but both sites seem pretty good to me.

They both seem to have information and/or links to state specific Delegate rules so I am not sure what the problem is here..

 

[Bradley in DC]

Maybe for each state we can post simple, accurate, step by steps. That way each person doesn't have to sort through all this junk to figure out what to do.

That is the project on this forum, yes.

 

[Bradley in DC]

This argument is useless. I think we can all work together on bringing accurate, simple to understand steps for each state.

I tried.

The subfora here for each state provide exactly that process. Everyone here do, please, contribute useful information in your state's subforum.

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[jenninlouisiana]

For Louisiana, for instance: it says

1) register to vote

* The deadline to be a registered republican to participate in any way in the caucus was November 30. it is too late now to change or register to be a delegate or vote for a delegate in Louisiana.

2) Vote in the primary. Ron Paul will win if his supporters vote in the primary.

*The primary in Louisina is just for show and it means nothing (unless one candidate gets more than 50% of the vote which isnt going to happen this time). Delegates are what matter and even if Ron Paul gets 11% of the primary, he can get most of the at-large delegates from the districts IF we get enough qualified deligate candidates.

3) it begins in the precinct. Peruse the rules.

*In Louisiana, it begins at the district level. He lists looking at the FEC database, which doesn't even list me and I've donated 4 times. He does list the link to LaGOP, but they just put the information on there on Thursday.

He also says you have to vote in the primary to be a delegate. In Louisiana, this isnt' true as the district caucus is almost 1 month before the primary.

He does mention to join a meetup, which is a good suggestion.

 

[fortilite]

In MOST states (primaries generally) this is how one becomes a "delegate candidate" to the national nominating convention for Ron Paul: the campaign puts your name down on their list and files it with the state board of elections. That is how I did it for the official campaign as their DC volunteer ballot access coordinator. That is how it happens in Texas too (but Anson doesn't understand it).

Can you provide a link?

 

[Bradley in DC]

EDITED.

 

[reduen]

I think that it is prudent for me to remind everyone that Bradley has been into it with the official campaign over this very thing also.

I do not know either of these people personally so I would suggest that everyone get the information from their local GOP, just to be safe...

 

[Bradley in DC]

*In Louisiana, it begins at the district level. He lists looking at the FEC database, which doesn't even list me and I've donated 4 times. He does list the link to LaGOP, but they just put the information on there on Thursday.

He also says you have to vote in the primary to be a delegate. In Louisiana, this isnt' true as the district caucus is almost 1 month before the primary.

He does mention to join a meetup, which is a good suggestion.

Thanks, Jenn, please update our subforum here for your state if it isn't already.

 

[reduen]

For Louisiana, for instance: it says

1) register to vote

* The deadline to be a registered republican to participate in any way in the caucus was November 30. it is too late now to change or register to be a delegate or vote for a delegate in Louisiana.

2) Vote in the primary. Ron Paul will win if his supporters vote in the primary.

*The primary in Louisina is just for show and it means nothing (unless one candidate gets more than 50% of the vote which isnt going to happen this time). Delegates are what matter and even if Ron Paul gets 11% of the primary, he can get most of the at-large delegates from the districts IF we get enough qualified deligate candidates.

3) it begins in the precinct. Peruse the rules.

*In Louisiana, it begins at the district level. He lists looking at the FEC database, which doesn't even list me and I've donated 4 times. He does list the link to LaGOP, but they just put the information on there on Thursday.

He also says you have to vote in the primary to be a delegate. In Louisiana, this isnt' true as the district caucus is almost 1 month before the primary.

He does mention to join a meetup, which is a good suggestion.

Good info Jenn.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

Also, in Louisiana we *don't* suggest calling the LaGop for obvious reasons. That's a big "no no".

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[Bradley in DC]

I think that it is prudent for me to remind everyone that Bradley has been into it with the official campaign over this very thing also.

I do not know either of these people personally so I would suggest that everyone get the information from their local GOP, just to be safe...

Yup. If one hasn't been reading the threads, I turned down a job offer from Mike McHugh, the national ballot organizer.

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[reduen]

Yup. If one hasn't been reading the threads, I turned down a job offer from Mike McHugh, the national ballot organizer, because I found him to be an incompetent ass. Feel free to search his name and mine for more info on lots of threads.

I would like to point out that I agree with you on about 90% of what you post and I find the official campaign to be lacking myself. It is not for me to decide who is right or wrong here, I just want and want everyone to recieve the correct information also..

 

[fortilite]

Bradley, you stated my Texas information is incorrect. However here it is, straight from the Texas GOP website:

The Republican Party’s primary election will be held on March 4, 2008. Those who vote in the
Republican primary will choose the candidates who will represent our Party in the November general
election. Less well-known, but just as important, are the decisions that will be made after the polls close
at precinct conventions – a type of town hall meeting.
Anyone who votes in the Republican primary election (either in early voting, voting by mail, or
at the polls on election day) is eligible to attend his or her precinct convention. Your convention will
take place at your precinct’s election day polling place within two hours after the polls close at 7:00 p.m.
The time and place of your precinct convention must be posted at each poll during primary election day.
Expect anywhere from one to well over 100 participants to attend.
The precinct convention is called to order by the Precinct Chairman or a person acting in his
stead. This person is the Temporary Precinct Convention Chairman. A Permanent Precinct Convention
Chairman and Secretary are then elected by majority vote. The Convention Chairman may appoint a
Sergeant-at-Arms and/or a Parliamentarian. There are only two items of business for the precinct
convention: election of delegates and alternates to county or senatorial district conventions, and the
approval of resolutions to be sent to these conventions.
Each precinct is entitled to send to the county/senatorial district convention one delegate and one
alternate for every 25 votes, or major fraction thereof, cast for Governor Rick Perry in that precinct in
the 2006 general election. In districts where the size of a convention is a problem, the ratio may be set at
one delegate and alternate for every 40 votes.
At the precinct convention, attendees decide by majority vote who gets to be delegates and
alternates to the county/senatorial district convention. Often, everyone who attends becomes a delegate
to the next level. However, if a large number attend, decisions will need to be made as to who will be a
delegate and who will be an alternate.
The only requirement to be elected as a delegate or alternate to the county/senatorial district convention
is to have voted in the 2008 Republican primary election. It is not required to attend the precinct
convention in order to be elected to the next higher level. Longtime Republicans often perform tasks for
the party or candidates during Election Day, which prevents them from being able to attend. However,
for those who are new to the party, attending the precinct convention will definitely increase the
likelihood of being one of those elected.

This is why I have trouble believing both you and Tiffany. I think you both believe you are being accurate. However when it comes down to it you guys are being very emotional and territorial about it. That greatly increases your odds of dispensing incorrect information. I trust your hearts are in the right place, but please come back down to earth.

STANDING OVATION! Not edited, either.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Bradley, you stated my Texas information is incorrect. However here it is, straight from the Texas GOP website:

This is why I have trouble believing both you and Tiffany. I think you both believe you are being accurate. However when it comes down to it you guys are being very emotional and territorial about it. That greatly increases your odds of dispensing incorrect information. I trust your hearts are in the right place, but please come back down to earth.

Now this is a good discussion. These rules are often complicated. There is a difference between the "state convention delegates" and the "national nominating convention delegates."

My singular point there was that the Paul campaign will file it's slate of delegate candidates to the national nominating convention with the state secretary of state: repeat, the Paul campaign will chose whom they want as delegates. Here is the text from link for the state election law in Texas: [p. 19, Sec. 10 a) "Commitment to Candidate: By assenting to nomination on a Presidential candidate’s slate, each delegate and alternate representing a Presidential candidate becomes pledged to the Presidential candidate on whose slate the delegate and alternate is nominated in accordance with subsection (b) of this section."]

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[scrosnoe]

There is no comparison really

We have all worked together here to get the best updated state by state by state information possible.

Bradley did an absolutely awesome job meticulously posting the RNC rules and guiding us through the states to get the official information. He kept us on track to gather the data and the links and coached us all through the process very patiently, I might add!

You simply cannot do a credible job of this without diving into the details and doing it state by state.

Thanks a bunch Bradley! I now understand the process better than ever and I've been in this effort to take back our party a few years myself. It is largely due to the way you handled the forum and this section and guided our effort. I am deeply appreciative and hope that others will see the value of the pains we have all gone to to get it right here and make the information available to all.

For Life and Liberty,
Sandie

 

[fortilite]

Now this is a good discussion. These rules are often complicated. There is a difference between the "state convention delegates" and the "national nominating convention delegates" (a distinction lost on Anson's site and the source of much of the confusion). His learning the correct lingo and using it appropriately would go a long way towards correcting his site.

My singular point there was that the Paul campaign will file it's slate of delegate candidates to the national nominating convention with the state secretary of state: repeat, the Paul campaign will chose whom they want as delegates. Here is the text from link for the state election law in Texas: [p. 19, Sec. 10 a) "Commitment to Candidate: By assenting to nomination on a Presidential candidate’s slate, each delegate and alternate representing a Presidential candidate becomes pledged to the Presidential candidate on whose slate the delegate and alternate is nominated in accordance with subsection (b) of this section."]

So an individual will have to do both? Or do we need both types of delegates?

Keep in mind Anson isn't the only person confused, we need to spell this out in as simple of steps as possible.