Which countries have the most US expats?

[enhanced_deficit]

Really?

Where else can you go where the government (mostly) recognizes your right to free speech and right to keep and bear arms?


Hint: no other government on earth allows as much speech and gun freedom as the US.... and yes of course I realize that our government isn't very good at it, but there isn't anywhere that is better.

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They also seem to have probably the strongest 2nd amendment rights in the world, apparently everyone there has a gun.
Going by this Trump claim, their voting machines seem to work better too.

 

[Matt Collins]

Don't worry. They're working on it. Biden's handlers will take care of that quickly. Gun control and hate speach laws are coming soon.

They won't be able to do very much with a Republican Senate and a likely Republican House coming in 2022. In fact we will probably get a lot of good state level legislation out of this in the next few years.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Really?

Where else can you go where the government (mostly) recognizes your right to free speech and right to keep and bear arms?


Hint: no other government on earth allows as much speech and gun freedom as the US.... and yes of course I realize that our government isn't very good at it, but there isn't anywhere that is better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

idk, scroll down this list and seems the Czech Republic is pretty good. There also different reasons people leave (or stay) other than gun rights.

 

[Anti Globalist]

I have thought about it for a long time. The tax structure as an American you get screwed big time. Best to just renounce once you can gain citizenship.

My dad always says once he retires hes going to move to Costa Rica.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

My dad always says once he retires hes going to move to Costa Rica.

I would too but I just don't think Central America is politically secure enough. Same with Mexico although people say it works for them.

 

[The Northbreather]

I would too but I just don't think Central America is politically secure enough. Same with Mexico although people say it works for them.

You just have to arm yourselves and throw out the police and politicians like they did in Cheran, Mexico...

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37612083

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Honduras sells citizenship for a reasonable price of about $30,000 per person, FYI.

The next best option requires more serious money: Portugal at $500,000, which is a better passport, but it costs.

 

[cjm]

I've started the process of expatriating to Virginia. More on that later.

 

[Madison320]

My big fear is that after we have our currency crisis they'll start means testing social security and medicare. Even if you have a million in savings you'd get wiped out in a few years if you had to support everyone else and you were no longer working.

We need to cut that stuff, but across the board, don't wipe out the people who lived responsibly. In that case I'd have to move somewhere where I can go trout fishing.

 

[catfeathers]

Their working and lower class version of English is unintelligible.

We bought an American car from an English car salesman in Germany (U.S Army). I had to translate English English to American English for my husband.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Honduras sells citizenship for a reasonable price of about $30,000 per person, FYI.

The next best option requires more serious money: Portugal at $500,000, which is a better passport, but it costs.

Interesting, wonder if a Honduran citizenship lessens requirements elsewhere? That is, once received, your not American.

 

[Matt Collins]

Even if you have a million in savings you'd get wiped out in a few years

Yeah $1 million isn't enough to retire on, and never put it in savings. It has to be invested in order to out pace inflation.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Honduras sells citizenship for a reasonable price of about $30,000 per person, FYI.

The next best option requires more serious money: Portugal at $500,000, which is a better passport, but it costs.

Also, do you have a link?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Interesting, wonder if a Honduran citizenship lessens requirements elsewhere? That is, once received, your not American.

Well, Americans get very preferential treatment in a lot of places at the moment, so US citizenship has its perks.

The hat trick is to get some other citizenship (or at least long term residency permit of some kind) while remaining a US citizen.

At least that's my thinking at the moment; things could change.

Also, do you have a link?

I do, though I misspoke, it's Nicaragua that has the $30,000 program.

https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/residency-in-nicaragua/

Honduras does have something similar, but I haven't looked into it much.

Anyway, the Nicaraguan program is pretty clever.

You can invest the $30,000 in reforestation and actually (in theory...) get a return, so it's not a straight loss.

 

[Krugminator2]

Really?

Where else can you go where the government (mostly) recognizes your right to free speech and right to keep and bear arms?


Hint: no other government on earth allows as much speech and gun freedom as the US.... and yes of course I realize that our government isn't very good at it, but there isn't anywhere that is better.

Well, Americans get very preferential treatment in a lot of places at the moment, so US citizenship has its perks.

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Puerto Rico still falls under the Constitution but it is really separate from the US. They have no income tax for ex-pats and you don't have to give up your passport to live there and not pay US federal taxes. Of course, it is crime-ridden, bankrupt, has an angry proletariat that might revolt against whitey at some point, and has earthquakes and hurricanes. Also the electrical grid is prone to failure. But if you can live in a gated neighborhood and still have a place to go on the mainland in case of hurricanes, zero income tax is a pretty big incentive for some to move there. A big risk is they remove the tax incentives, property values in ex pat (i.e. white) areas would plummet overnight.

Giving up US citizenship to live in some of the third world countries mentioned in this thread seems like a very bad idea. Puerto Rico at least gives you the option to move back to the US

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Puerto Rico still falls under the Constitution but it is really separate from the US. They have no income tax for ex-pats and you don't have to give up your passport to live there and not pay US federal taxes. Of course, it is crime-ridden, bankrupt, has an angry proletariat that might revolt against whitey at some point, and has earthquakes and hurricanes. Also the electrical grid is prone to failure. But if you can live in a gated neighborhood and still have a place to go on the mainland in case of hurricanes, zero income tax is a pretty big incentive for some to move there. A big risk is they remove the tax incentives, property values in ex pat (i.e. white) areas would plummet overnight.

The original "Schifferite" has figured this out..

Giving up US citizenship to live in some of the third world countries mentioned in this thread seems like a very bad idea. Puerto Rico at least gives you the option to move back to the US

Currently? Yes, there are risks.

In a decade? ...we'll see, the comparison may look a lot more favorable.

And, as with anything, one wants to buy when the asset is cheap.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

And @Krugminator2 acquiring citizenship or similar in at least some of these countries does not require giving up US citizenship, as I understand it (inquiring minds should consult competent immigration counsel). Therefore, the ideal situation, IMO, would be to be a US citizen, but have an established right to get on a plane and live for an indeterminately long period of time elsewhere, if the situation here at home warrants that: and then, if things really go tits up, take domicile elsewhere. In other words, this is insurance. And, no, Puerto Rico won't do it, as the Congress can decide to revoke their tax privileges tomorrow at noon if they please, and maybe even retroactively, as CA is trying to do (which, yes, is plainly unconstitutional, but when has that ever stopped them?).

 

[Krugminator2]

And @Krugminator2 acquiring citizenship or similar in at least some of these countries does not require giving up US citizenship, as I understand it (inquiring minds should consult competent immigration counsel). Therefore, the ideal situation, IMO, would be to be a US citizen, but have an established right to get on a plane and live for an indeterminately long period of time elsewhere, if the situation here at home warrants that: and then, if things really go tits up, take domicile elsewhere. In other words, this is insurance. And, no, Puerto Rico won't do it, as the Congress can decide to revoke their tax privileges tomorrow at noon if they please, and maybe even retroactively, as CA is trying to do (which, yes, is plainly unconstitutional, but when has that ever stopped them?).

You still have to pay taxes to the US government if you live in one of those third world countries.

Congress can't directly revoke Puerto Rico's tax privileges. Puerto Rico doesn't have any voting congressional reps. No taxation without representation. The backdoor way those tax incentives would get repealed by the US government is if congress made Puerto Rico the 51st state, which is a very real threat with a Dem Congress, Dem Senate, and Dem president. Puerto Rico gives Dems two Senators and a House rep.

 

[Invisible Man]

You still have to pay taxes to the US government if you live in one of those third world countries.

Congress can't directly revoke Puerto Rico's tax privileges. Puerto Rico doesn't have any voting congressional reps. No taxation without representation. The backdoor way those tax incentives would get repealed by the US government is if congress made Puerto Rico the 51st state, which is a very real threat with a Dem Congress, Dem Senate, and Dem president. Puerto Rico gives Dems two Senators and a House rep.

I don't think it's just Democrats who want that. When Ron Paul was in Congress there was a vote on a bill to allow Puerto Rico a chance to become a state and he voted yes, along with a lot of other Republicans.

 

[Invisible Man]

You still have to pay taxes to the US government if you live in one of those third world countries.

Congress can't directly revoke Puerto Rico's tax privileges. Puerto Rico doesn't have any voting congressional reps. No taxation without representation. The backdoor way those tax incentives would get repealed by the US government is if congress made Puerto Rico the 51st state, which is a very real threat with a Dem Congress, Dem Senate, and Dem president. Puerto Rico gives Dems two Senators and a House rep.

McConnell won't bring it up for a vote, but if he did, even with a majority-Republican Senate, I think it would likely pass.

In 2009 the House voted on a bill to allow Puerto Rico the opportunity to determine for itself if it wanted to become a state, and it passed by a large margin with a decent amount of Republican votes for it, including Mike Pence's. Ron Paul did not vote. But I seem to remember at the time he did make a procedural vote that favored the passage of the bill. I haven't sifted through the bill actions here to see if my memory is right on that. I remember Liberty Eagle complaining about whatever it was RP did.

If today's Senate voted on this and the same percentage of Republicans voted Aye, as at least some surely would do, then it would pass both the House and Senate.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2010242