Which about government schools that causes the dumbness of americans?

Which about government schools that causes the dumbness of Americans?

  • Compulsory schooling laws

    Votes: 7 21.9%
  • Curriculum

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Other-explain below

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Total voters
    32
It probably depends where it is.
Schools, both public and private, around here seem to be good(well?).
I went to both and seem intelligent; according to the useless IQ test I am over 100.
I live in the subarbs(sp) though.
City schools may be worse.

It could also be that people in private actually care about their grades whilst those in public don't.

P.S. Is the title supposed to have bad grammar?
 
My personal observation is that the vast majority of Americans are not DUMB!

They can speak, yell, cuss, sing, generally vocalize all over the place.
 
They don't seem to help kids deal with problems..

The "unmanageable" ones are dealt with isolation, whereas trying to instill a positive environment for mentally unstable kids would help a lot better.

If you're not like everyone else, then you're stupid.

An 'us vs. them' mentality runs easily, and most of the administration continues that, whether intentionally or not.
Actually, I think this is a huge part of the problem-- schools spend waaaay too much time trying to help kids deal with problems and not enough time teaching them academics. I'm seeing a big shift in my kids' school this year. Maybe it's the grade levels, maybe it's the teachers, I don't know. But when I walked into my 6th grader's classroom and saw Magic Treehouse (suggested age level 6-9) books on the bookshelf I almost puked.I wouldn't even let my kid read them when it was an appropriate reading level because the grammar was SO bad.
 
Curriculum. Specifically, a huge emphasis on regurgitation and no emphasis at all on logic, problem solving--in short, they refuse to go to the trouble to teach people how to think. Brains don't come with instruction manuals; you can learn to use it or let it go to waste.
 
Curriculum. Specifically, a huge emphasis on regurgitation and no emphasis at all on logic, problem solving--in short, they refuse to go to the trouble to teach people how to think. Brains don't come with instruction manuals; you can learn to use it or let it go to waste.


Bingo! We have a winner.

This, right here is the problem. Brains are processors not hard drives.
 
This, right here is the problem. Brains are processors not hard drives.

Well, they're actually both. The problem is your stuck with the hardware god gave you. You can fill up the hard drive with all kinds of databases and programs, but unfortunately if you have a 486 processor you're not going to be running too many programs...
 
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The title and some of the response leave me wondering whether errors are being deliberately committed in this thread. Is it trying to be funny? I really hope so.

I think what was meant by "helping kids solve problems" should be explored. Once upon a time, there was a class called "Home Economics" and there was another called "Shop," or sometimes "Metal Shop". It was not just baking cookies and building a bird feeder. Skills such as hemming clothing, darning socks, cooking, using household appliances correctly, ironing, setting the table... some of these aren't particularly life-or-death, but a class like this might now include insights into establishing and keeping a budget, or other related tasks. That sort of class would be infinitely more important than yet another tardy sexual education lecture. Instead of "Shop," one could learn how to properly care for one's vehicle(s), how to change a tire, how to troubleshoot common household issues, and that minor woodworking which was always a part of that kind of class.

I know what some of you were thinking as you read that, though: lawsuit! The reality is that the moment a child goofs around and slices their finger open, it's over. The teacher's career would be pretty much forfeit, the school and district would be in deep trouble, and the news would have a field day.

In established classes, there is no reward for really knowing your stuff and being able to apply it. "Why do I need to know this?" is a question that should be easy to answer. It isn't a question that should come up in the very low grades, where teachers should be providing a foundation and fueling the child's natural curiosity, not providing a slightly above-average babysitting service.

When I went to school, the difference was night and day between classes with AP or Gifted or Honors distinctions, and the few classes where I had to "mingle" with those who would not be in those other classes. It made me really wish there was an AP Study Hall, or Law Enforcement Studies, or LMS...

I respect any educator that steps back and tries to figure out what in God's name they are doing, and how they can prepare these young people in their care for both the next step and life in general, as far as their subject is concerned. The rest? My LMS teacher used to doze at the front of the class. He weighed well over 300 pounds and leaned back in his chair. Every afternoon, we'd watch the chair creak, wobble, and sway under his bulk, and place bets as to when he'd fall down. At least we honed our math skills?

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Also, yes, the scores for individual IQ tests are usually adjusted so that the average is 100. Not everyone takes the same test at the same time. Tests are not adjusted every time another score is submitted. The average IQ is, oddly, slightly above average a lot of the time. You're both right :)
 
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