Where were the Republican "Tea Partiers" During the Bush Years?

[clb09]

 

[Liberty Star]

Answer given 1:30 into this vid clip:

YouTube - Glenn Beck - Sunstein A Close Friend Of Obama's - NUTS


And then 2:20 into this clip:

YouTube - Glenn Beck Meets With George Bush


Some after watching these two videos might say that Glenn Beck has mental stability or mood swings issues but give the guy benefit of the doubt when it comes to Bush.

 

[webstar]

Glenn Beck is a blithering ignorant fool who offers nothing constructive. My favorite part of the video is right at the start where he holds up his hand and says now watch my hand and then places it into his lap. Okay.

 

[UnReconstructed]

everything was fine in republican world back then.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

The same place most of the anti-war movement is now. I don't think people realize the extent to which blatantly partisan left or right wing protest movements are controlled by their respective parties. I first noticed this myself when much of the left anti-war people totally closed their mouths during Kerry's run in 2004.

The mainstream and neo-con Tea Parties will be out in (probably) growing force, until the Republicans win control of Congress or the Presidency in 4-8 years. Then, they will be shuttered like the left-wing anti-war groups, unless our beliefs and independence from the established parties make heavy inroads into their minds.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I forgot to add that the establishment leaders tend to co-opt or destroy more independent opposition. The Green Party and Nader types on the left could have been a powerful anti-war force that would've continued independent of the Democrats. Instead, Dem operatives and liberal cowardice succeeded in pushing most into the Dem fold, and thus back into their orbit again.

The Republicans will try to do the same thing to Ron Paul Republicans, the Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, etc. They will do their damnedest to make sure we are either thoroughly disrupted or frightened back into their clutches so as not to pose an independent challenge to their authority if/when they do re-gain power.

 

[KAYA]

There were plenty of conservatives and libertarians bitching about the spending during the Bush years. When I see the question, "Where were the Republican "Tea Partiers" During the Bush Years?" My short answer is, taking part in the Ron Paul R3VOLution dumb ass!

 

[erowe1]

The same place most of the anti-war movement is now. I don't think people realize the extent to which blatantly partisan left or right wing protest movements are controlled by their respective parties. I first noticed this myself when much of the left anti-war people totally closed their mouths during Kerry's run in 2004.

The mainstream and neo-con Tea Parties will be out in (probably) growing force, until the Republicans win control of Congress or the Presidency in 4-8 years. Then, they will be shuttered like the left-wing anti-war groups, unless our beliefs and independence from the established parties make heavy inroads into their minds.

QFT. I'm not into denigrating the tea parties, and I think they're over all a good thing. But I have seen both first hand and through online research that what you are saying is clearly accurate. They wouldn't be happening with nearly the same level of participation and organization if it weren't for the involvement of the GOP itself, and organizations and leaders who are closely connected to it.

 

[erowe1]

There were plenty of conservatives and libertarians bitching about the spending during the Bush years. When I see the question, "Where were the Republican "Tea Partiers" During the Bush Years?" My short answer is, taking part in the Ron Paul R3VOLution dumb ass!

People who supported Ron Paul only make up a small percentage of the tea party goers, and have so far also had only a small amount of say over what ideas have gotten the most play at those tea parties.

 

[Dionysus]

I like to think that Bush did a good job of educating these new Tea Partiers about how utterly corrupt and untrustworthy the typical Repub/Dem is. Unfortunately for Obama, he's reaping what Bush sowed.

 

[kahless]

When I see the attendence numbers for 9/12 I think where were all these people on Republican primary day. I know many did come out and their votes for Ron Paul were not counted but the numbers should have been more overwelming if these folks protesting now had shown up. Then where were they on election day? How the hell could any Conservative, Libertarian or Republican vote for McCain or Obama rather than vote 3rd party or write-in Ron Paul.

The fact is there is no difference between McCain and Obama. Even though 3rd party or write in may not have won it would have sent a clear message that the people reject what both parties now represent.

 

[KAYA]

People who supported Ron Paul only make up a small percentage of the tea party goers, and have so far also had only a small amount of say over what ideas have gotten the most play at those tea parties.

It still answers the question though.

 

[clb09]

"Where were the Republican "Tea Partiers" During the Bush Years?" My short answer is, taking part in the Ron Paul R3VOLution dumb ass!

Dumb ass?

So what your saying is that the "Ron Paul R3VOLution" helped liberty candidates win control of the 2006 Congress?

Or the 2004 presidential election?

Or the 2002 mid-terms?

I'd love to believe, like you apparently do, that the "Ron Paul R3VOLution" was in full swing during the Bush years but I have no choice but to acknowledge reality.

The reality is that during the Bush years libertarians and Ron Paul were marginalized by neocons and now Ron Paul and libertarians are being hijacked by neocons.

 

[erowe1]

It still answers the question though.

Not really. The question is "Where were the tea partiers during the Bush years?". The answer, "They were in the Ron Paul revolution," doesn't answer the question, because it's demonstrably a false claim in most cases.

I think the real answer for where the heart and soul of the tea party movement was during the Bush years is that it was at rallies like the ones this article describes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/26/usa.iraq

 

[KAYA]

Not really. The question is "Where were the tea partiers during the Bush years?". The answer, "They were in the Ron Paul revolution," doesn't answer the question, because it's demonstrably a false claim in most cases.

Ok, I understand. I should have said, those individuals informed and principled to libertarianism, conservatism, or the Republican platform actually where standing for the cause of limited government and liberty by way of the Ron Paul R3VOLution, etc. In addition, the 1st tea party took place in AZ to protest the BUSH bailout.

 

[Liberty Star]

Not really. The question is "Where were the tea partiers during the Bush years?". The answer, "They were in the Ron Paul revolution," doesn't answer the question, because it's demonstrably a false claim in most cases.

I think the real answer for where the heart and soul of the tea party movement was during the Bush years is that it was at rallies like the ones this article describes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/26/usa.iraq

Well put.

Bush-Cheney and neocon enablers who now suddenly pretend to have changed colors to get ahead of genuine libertarian movement are just opportunists that should not be allowed to brand a growing movement with a real yearning for change in America.

 

[erowe1]

Ok, I understand. I should have said, those individuals informed and principled to libertarianism, conservatism, or the Republican platform actually where standing for the cause of limited government and liberty by way of the Ron Paul R3VOLution, etc. In addition, the 1st tea party took place in AZ to protest the BUSH bailout.

Did that happen before or after Obama was elected?

 

[awake]

The "You Lie" event was planed. How else can you explane the lucky camera man who had 3 seconds to focus and shoot a picture of the outburst mid sentence. It gave an opportunity to label the whole opposition as racists and silence them. All the while giving the Obama administration an opportunity to play the wise, centered, voice of reason - victims of the "anti-Obama" movement.

You sure wouldn't want to be one of those 'racist' troublemakers, so the government must be telling the truth*sarcasm*.

 

[KAYA]

Dumb ass?

So what your saying is that the "Ron Paul R3VOLution" helped liberty candidates win control of the 2006 Congress?

Or the 2004 presidential election?

Or the 2002 mid-terms?

I'd love to believe, like you apparently do, that the "Ron Paul R3VOLution" was in full swing during the Bush years but I have no choice but to acknowledge reality.

The reality is that during the Bush years libertarians and Ron Paul were marginalized by neocons and now Ron Paul and libertarians are being hijacked by neocons.

No, what I'm saying is that those individuals who are truly principled in their stand for limited government were indeed pissed throughout the Bush years and found their voice via Ron Paul and this newly developing liberty movement.

If we do not participate in the liberty/tea party movement then we have no business complaining about the highjacking that is definitely going on. As participants of the Ron Paul revolution and the roots that began this revolution, we need to realize that the idea of peaceful revolution is becoming mainstream and it is our responsibility to insure that our roots remain strong and or not poisoned by the neo-cons.

Yes the neo-con have the money and power that allows themselves to positions themselves as the mainstream and highjack the liberty movement. But do we just wave the white flag and let them?

No! We fight for our cause and never give up. We can have an impact if we remain vigilant and stand up rather than doing little more than complaining. Just look at the progress we have made with HR 1207, the healthcare debate, drafting Schiff for senate and the high probability of getting Rand Paul elected to the US Senate.

I joined our local tea party group and instead of complaining about the neo-cons etc, at our last rally, I set up a table and signed up hundreds for petitions urging Sen. Mary Landrieu to co-sponsor S. 604 and another to oppose cap & trade.

"But let it not be said that we did nothing."

 

[KAYA]

Did that happen before or after Obama was elected?

I'm not exactly sure. It was in 2008 but I don't know if it was before or after Nov. 4th 2008. Shouldn't matter thought because they were protesting against the Bush bailout. Also, I found this poll that showed most opposed the Bush bailout, only 30% supported it http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428921,00.html