Where is the Tea Party?

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

First post

During the Ron Paul Revolution movement that showed great momentum during the last presidential cycle (and in my opinion):
-The Tea Party was formed to grasp that momentum and redirect it; it was basically a hijacking
-All media attention would focus on this new redirected movement instead of the core of the true movement that came from the Ron Paul Revolution
-Once a movement is infiltrated and redirected it can rerouted, squashed, made to mockery, etc... (like the political parties or any other group one wants to change)

All this is in my opinion - and not very clearly laid out right now (I was about to go to sleep and I saw this thread and this brought those frustrations back to light...ugh).

After the great momentum of the Revolution, with its spark growing brighter and stronger, it always seemed to me that the Tea Party was a faux - a ruse - a fake - a redirect methodology. A while back I read a thread about finding a new name for the true movement that goes past using Ron Paul's name. I understand that...but at the same time leaving Ron Paul's name in it will (in my opinion) help keep it from being hijacked and rerouted.

Not a great first post lol...but it helps to vent sometimes. Hope I can sleep now

REVOLUTION!

I wonder if they would find a way to hijack the Ron Paul Party. lol

Welcome!

 

[JK/SEA]

What happened to the Tea Party?

well, there was too many people saying it was co-opted, so people layed down and got steam-rolled over by the establishment and let it happen for lack of a way to keep it on track.

next.

 

[cindy25]

why is another party needed? already have the Libertarians and Constitution

but if another party has a benefit that start a pirate party in the USA. they already poll 15% in Europe, and have similar demographics to the Ron Paul movement.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

What happened to the Tea Party?

well, there was too many people saying it was co-opted, so people layed down and got steam-rolled over by the establishment and let it happen for lack of a way to keep it on track.

next.

Once Hannity declared himself on National TV on board with the tea party calling Palin a leader of it, the original integrity, meant to push away from neocons like them, was toast, kaput, fini, bamboozled, gone.

The neocons stole the title, pulled anti-obama republicans in, and then, continued on pushing their neocon agenda through it.

How could we have held on to it, with it's anti-neocon integrity with Neocons running it through the MSM?

 

[azxd]

There's a reason why Paul switched to the Republican Party, and if you can't understand why, you also won't understand why ALL the third party candidates and their positions are dead in the water.

The 2 party system is designed to control people ... Period !!!
And opposition to it is destroyed, or ignored ... Period !!!

 

[TheGrinch]

The tea party is dying just like the anti-war movement died in 08.

The positive thing is that they've combined and morphed into the movement we see today....

Unfortunately this has only led to marginalizing, rather than co-opting, but at least they're going to have a hell of a time trying to mold themselves into the libertarian wing of the party. It's now not just one issue (fiscal responsibility), but a whole host of issues they have to publicize and pretend like they care about to co-opt this movement.

 

[JK/SEA]

Once Hannity declared himself on National TV on board with the tea party calling Palin a leader of it, the original integrity, meant to push away from neocons like them, was toast, kaput, fini, bamboozled, gone.

The neocons stole the title, pulled anti-obama republicans in, and then, continued on pushing their neocon agenda through it.

How could we have held on to it, with it's anti-neocon integrity with Neocons running it through the MSM?

Therein lies the problem.....OMG OMG OMG OMG!..their taking over our Tea Party!.......and so the crickets arrived...no counter rhetoric from blogs on a massive scale, no physical demonstrations,, no internet solutions, no one in leadership roles countering the hannity's, and palins....a basic attitude of..''oh well''...

so, to my way of thinking, if no one cares, why should i?....and on and on and on...basically...no one really gives 2 hoots now about the 'original' meaning of who and why concerning the Tea Party...maybe years from now it will be resurrected again...till then.

you gotta fight...for your right...TO TEA PARTY!!

 

[ConCap]

It is not time to split the party and form a third party,
It is time to split the people,
Those 100% for the Constitution as written and who advocate no social issues on a federal level.
And those not 100% for the Constitution as written.
This will be the new two party system.
Cut and dry,
For or Against.
"A" Political
Us and them.
No gray.
Nothing else will work.
If someone infiltrates and advocates something social on a federal level, you know to kick their a$$ out, and who not to vote for.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

I think we need first to examine what the Tea Party stands for to the average member, and what it promises him or her that join up.

My father is an area tea-party leader, and from my experience with him and his people, I can say, in central/northern NJ at least, that it is made up of mostly demoted middle-class people
who are fighting to cope with this demotion; 10 years ago they could lay their heads to their pillows thinking that they were the american dream, that they had everything anyone in the world might ever want, that they were the freest and most prosperous and favored race and class in the history of man. Now they are assaulted from all sides with evidence to the contrary. Their homes are valueless, they are in foreclosure, their kids are in rehab or buried in inescapable student debt, and the same institutions that once jerked them off anytime they showed up with an erection now advocate their imprisonment and exile. It is an emotional and psycho-social movement that taps their frustration and dread and lost sense of power.

So they rally around symbols of this imagined power. It is natural then that most are lost to the war drums, because this reframes their identity from "demoted has-been class that once enjoyed privileges" to "glorious legions of american strength projections." How long do you have to watch Fox news before you see a commercial for an ED pill? This is the core issue of the tea party.

Once we can reframe debates so that the weak peckered demoted middle class men can again cloak themselves in symbols of virility and ascent, they will fall into our lines. If you want the Tea Party to come along, you need bright flags, men in uniform, and stern-looking fighting-aged males that command the loyalty of the still virile members of the tribe. All politics is the manipulation of symbolic tribal relationships; as man is a tribal animal with an inborn social instinct and fundamental, genetic blueprint for organization (elders, warriors, apprentices, domestic priestesses, etc), he participates in politics to the degree that his social instincts are fed and rewarded and activated. The tea party wants legitimacy, recognition, and for the lost little children of their tribe to hide behind their imagined strength against the outsider, other tribal menace.

Really its ugly shit, and I often think when examining it from this perspective, "Fuck the tea party." To get them in seats or to gain their applause you have to masturbate the war god.

Probably an effective means of hi-jacking their militarism would be to play up the drug war on the border and the failure of illegal immigration policy; as they disassociated from their own lives as a result of their economic and political demotion, they graft their identity onto the conceptualized entity "America." America being penetrated by mexicans from the bottom- thats a fundamentally disquieting threat that will instinctively awaken in them their tribe-mind groupthink psychological mechanisms, resulting in their surrender to the message of a leader who promises to right this problem, who will defend the integrity of the boundaries of their concept-organism.

 

[Stallheim]

I'm just taking a stab at this, but I think any movement which is defined primarily as anti-(something), with a rather loose collection of defining goals is easy to co-opt. According to Mises and Rothbard this is what happened with the conservative movement which aside from all the other bits stitched on, was first and foremost anti-communist. BUT I think that the original tea party movement served it's purpose, it shook things up, and just because it got stolen doesn't mean RP didn't accomplish amazing things with it. To tell the truth I am of the Rothbardian, Hoppean Anarcho-Capitalist persuasion: I haven't believed for decades that there is a political solution, and that economic forces will sort it all out, but Ron Paul has convinced me to give politics one more try because participating in the process is also waking bunches of people up. And he sounds so damn reasonable too! Fighting for the Tea Party is a waste of time, even to take credit for starting it, it served its purpose, and we left them a husk.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Honestly though it is not truthful for a single man to take credit for "starting" what is just an eruption of universally-swallowed frustration and resentment. We have to understand the tea party as a psycho-social force, something like political therapy for men and women who yesterday felt awesome and powerful and today feel thwarted and betrayed. ANYONE with ANY message can get these people in their camp if they are willing to promise them a bit of their old power, even if only unconsciously, by manipulating symbols and shit.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Where is the Tea Party?

Co-opted, ossified, weakened and assimilated into the Borg hive.