Where did the Ron Paul supporters go?

[Cabal]

I personally went to Sanders. I was mainly attracted to Ron Paul's anti-establishment rhetoric, and I think it's important to keep the Fed accountable. I also hate this endless war nonsense. So those were the issues that attracted me to him.

Then your support of Sanders makes no sense.

 

[wmmonk]

That's the "dregs" a poster in another thread were calling people like that and others.

Claims they should be "jettisoned".

Does not understand that Rand Paul 2016 did exactly that.

And got a campaign in the low single digits and over before NH.

Jettisoned? Meaning?

 

[misterx]

The anti-war vote went to Sanders. That was a large segment of Ron's support.

Another problem is that the base didn't get as excited about Rand. Rand has held strong on some issues, but on others he's sidled the fence trying to win support of the neocons. That made it hard for me to get really excited about him and go out and fight for him the way I did for Ron. I suspect a lot of people who were instrumental in spreading the message for Ron did not want to do anything for Rand outside of the ballot box.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The anti-war vote went to Sanders. That was a large segment of Ron's support.

Some people believe that Sanders is somewhat anti-war. It's safe to say that Rand was by far the best candidate on that issue. Trusting Trump or Sanders on non-intervention is a yuge gamble.

Position: Anti-war. This was where both Ron and Rand really stood out from the others. This can also include being anti-neoconservative, which many people had not even heard about before Ron Paul. There is also a great part of fiscal conservatism wrapped in this issue. Obviously this is Rand's area, but with Trump's opposition in the past to the Iraq war, and his apparent ambivalence to the neoconservative boogeymen of Iran and Russia, Trump also gets some share of this. It could be said in the past that Cruz leaned this way, but he has since abandoned it for a more standard neoconservative foreign policy. Many believe that Bernie Sanders also holds some of these positions.

Candidates: Rand Paul, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

Then your support of Sanders makes no sense.

Fantastic argument. Really strong.

 

[Cabal]

Fantastic argument. Really strong.

About as fantastic as your explanation of support.

I personally went to Sanders. I was mainly attracted to Ron Paul's anti-establishment rhetoric, and I think it's important to keep the Fed accountable. I also hate this endless war nonsense. So those were the issues that attracted me to him.

You've clearly already decided to abandon reason and reality, so presenting any further argument doesn't seem very productive.

But if you really want to prove me wrong, perhaps you can try reconciling your bullshit anti-war stance with Bernie's fairly consistent record as a shameful warmongering hawk.

Bernie Sanders supported Clinton's intervention in Kosovo in 1999. When people protested against this, he had the protesters arrested.

Bernie Sanders has supported appropriations bills that funded interventionist policies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Bernie Sanders does not support withdrawal from Iraq.

Bernie Sanders has supported aiding Israel in the Lebanon conflict, and has generally supported anything pro-Israel.

Bernie Sanders has supported Palestinian sanctions.

Bernie Sanders supported the Iran Freedom Support Act--sanctions and precursor steps to conflict in Iran.

Bernie Sanders supports Obama's Drone program.

Bernie Sanders supports intervention in Syria.

Bernie Sanders supported intervention in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, and has generally adopted hawkish language where Putin and Russia are concerned.

Bernie Sanders has basically supported Obama's foreign policy in general.

What military cuts as he proposed? None as far as I can tell.

Bernie is just as hawkish as anyone else. Voting for Bernie is not voting for peace.

Tell me more about how your anti-war position attracted you to Bernie Sanders.

Let me guess, you're one of the many clueless dolts who bought into the bullshit about how his vote against the Iraq war must mean he's not just another hawk (despite the fact that he proceeded to vote for continuing to fund it, and still doesn't support withdrawal).

 

[Jingles]

Me. Personally...? Rand doesn't have the same appeal for me as Ron does. While I understand his tactics and the like, I just like the unapologetic truth and abolishing everything as possible. I don't like playing with the Republican party or their voters mostly because I generally dislike the religious right and those that just accept the Fox News line. Rand tried to play to them and diluted the message too much in my opinion.

Believe me, I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I'm here. I exist, but the current political climate is just is baffling to me (as I am sure it is to you). To use an overused term/phrase/meme for my own purposes, "politics went full retard in 2015/2016".

As pessimistic as I am in my personal life... It is starting to carry over politics even more (not that It wasn't already). But just this whole election cycle makes me think our nation is even too stupid to even have liberty or even be given it. Anymore, I just want to retreat to a cabin in the woods and interact with as little people as possible.

 

[mt4rp]

This RP supporter (me) is go-ing to Anarchapulco 2016

 

[Carlybee]

Going through a rough patch. Not even sure what I believe in anymore.

 

[alucard13mm]

I am kinda curious how many black people did Rand get? he spent a lot of time on criminal justice and pandering to the blacks lol. OR... how many black republicans voted for Rand?

 

[fr33]

I am kinda curious how many black people did Rand get? he spent a lot of time on criminal justice and pandering to the blacks lol. OR... how many black republicans voted for Rand?

Well not many for sure but there are hardly any blacks in Iowa (the only state his campaign was active during the election) compared to other states.

 

[oyarde]

Me. Personally...? Rand doesn't have the same appeal for me as Ron does. While I understand his tactics and the like, I just like the unapologetic truth and abolishing everything as possible. I don't like playing with the Republican party or their voters mostly because I generally dislike the religious right and those that just accept the Fox News line. Rand tried to play to them and diluted the message too much in my opinion.

Believe me, I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I'm here. I exist, but the current political climate is just is baffling to me (as I am sure it is to you). To use an overused term/phrase/meme for my own purposes, "politics went full retard in 2015/2016".

As pessimistic as I am in my personal life... It is starting to carry over politics even more (not that It wasn't already). But just this whole election cycle makes me think our nation is even too stupid to even have liberty or even be given it. Anymore, I just want to retreat to a cabin in the woods and interact with as little people as possible.

I enjoy my cottage in the woods .

 

[oyarde]

Are you hiding them on your farm?

Nah , oldest Grandson & his wife just left last week for a job in Tenn.They took the dog.

 

[Ender]

I think the biggest reason Ron Paul drew in crowds was that he believed in what he says, and he was trend setting. Ron Paul was selling ideas left and right about individual liberty, not letting the party shape his speeches or ideals...he bent to no one but his intuitive thought processes and economic knowledge. Ron Paul would even defy the debates by saying that 9/11 was not caused solely by hijackers, but he would explain blowback and that the highjackers were not even Iraqis but Saudis. This was the type of candidate that drew crowds because he had balls.

Agree.

Ron Paul is still Da Man to me and I can't back any of the left-overs. The lesser of 2 evils is still evil.

 

[liveandletlive]

They went to bernie. bernie had Mossadegh trending last night. He stole Ron Paul's foreign policy platform despite being a hatchet man for interventionist foreign policy

Now people are thinking Bernie is anti-war when he is clearly a fraud, instead of the consistent and principled Ron Paul.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Don't worry, I maintain a high enough state of piss off for a roomful of people.

Hi

I think that's right on-- to a point. I'm not that pissed off anymore. I just don't have the energy for it. I seriously pushed myself to the limit of my being working for Ron Paul, trying to build a "community" of sorts for our kind. And there are a lot of us and we really are everywhere now. But 2012? And the way that all played out... for me? pft politics. Not worth it for me right now.

I wasn't even going to vote this year but the more I think about Bernie the more I'm inclined to speak up a bit for him. I don't plan to try to convince anyone, but I do think there is value in supporting him, if not to toss a wrench in the system, then to build bridges with our counterparts on the left. The kids are already more fiscally responsible than the Boomers ever were. I had no clue about economics Before Ron Paul. I was a Bernie supporter!!! Then I heard RP and I was hooked. And then everything started making a lot more sense and I could see how it could work. Bernie's no Ron Paul, but his people (especially Gen X and younger) are the most likely to actually be us.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

They went to bernie. bernie had Mossadegh trending last night. He stole Ron Paul's foreign policy platform despite being a hatchet man for interventionist foreign policy

Now people are thinking Bernie is anti-war when he is clearly a fraud, instead of the consistent and principled Ron Paul.

The people who don't care about debt, spending, big government, central planning and socialism went to Bernie.

 

[LibertyEagle]

???????????? more like Rand compromised when he endorsed Mitt Romney, and continued to do things such as vote yes to sanction Iran. Just because he has done a few good things doesn't justify his bad actions...if I were to vote according to "but he does good things sometimes" vs principles and foundation based on non aggression, then I might as well just vote for someone like dennis kucinich or mike gravel...but I dont because they have no foundational principles. Rand abandoned principles, but tried to hold onto ideas that are founded ON principles...but some of his actions contradict them...so yeah, I was turned off and Im sure not the only one.

Rand is a constitutionalist; not a PACIFIST.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The people who don't care about debt, spending, big government, central planning and socialism went to Bernie.

Yeah, basically everything RP stood for.

 

[Saint Vitus]

I said years ago on this forum that Rand wouldn't get as many votes as Ron, and that he was driving all of his supporters away. I was laughed at and banned numerous times by the people who thought that all of Rand's sucking up to the establishment would pay off in the long run. It sucks that the movement is dead, but it's very nice to come back and see all of these Randslide homers eat some crow.