When Cougars attack!

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So many aspects to this story...

- Was the "Cougar" fad partially a motivator?
- Stealing the daughter's boy friend: classic female competition?
- Sex-obsessed media and society?
- Did anti-gun fervor play a role? It seems to have started the investigation.
- Unintended consequence of the feminist agenda? I.e. Extreme militant feminist view that all heterosexual relations are "abusive" results in sex being viewed as a crime (reflected by new laws and attitudes over the past several decades)?
- Excess prosecution and publicity by the Police and media to "prove" that they do not hold a double-standard? Or making a point of some kind by over-prosecuting this?

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(08-09) 18:46 PDT LIVERMORE -- The 42-year-old Livermore mother accused of sexually assaulting two teenage boys first made an advance at one of them when he was 14 and was dating her daughter of the same age, authorities said.

After the incident in December 2008, authorities said, Christine Hubbs sent sexual text messages to the boy and gave him cash, expensive gifts and cellular telephones to maintain contact with her.

The allegations, contained in a police affidavit, were revealed Monday as Hubbs appeared in an Alameda County courtroom in Pleasanton to face charges that have stunned her suburban city.

The mother of three was arraigned on 67 felony counts, including unlawful sex with a minor and exhibition of lewd material to a minor.

Wearing a jail-issue jumpsuit, she flashed a quick smile at her husband - who waved at her from the second row - but cried as the hearing wore on and a judge ordered her bail set at $4.3 million. She did not enter a plea.

About a dozen friends showed up to support Hubbs and her husband of 20 years, Tim Hubbs, a well-known dentist who attended high school in the area.

Christine Hubbs' attorney, Jules Bonjour, asked that the media respect the family's privacy. A friend of six years, Robyn Azevedo of Oakley, said a tight group of friends was surrounding the family.

"This goes against everything we know about Christine and Tim," Azevedo said. "Tim asked us to support him and the family and we're giving it to him."

The jammed courtroom, though, took on a tabloid atmosphere as producers from TV newsmagazine shows passed out business cards. One family friend snapped "Vultures!" at the six camera crews.

Others who know Christine Hubbs said they were in shock.

"You could push me over with a feather right now," said Janice Grant, a Livermore resident who said her children played soccer on the same team as one of the Hubbses' daughters.

Grant described her friend of three years as the ultimate team mom, shuttling her kids to various sporting events and volunteering to make a shopping trip or host a team barbecue.

"I don't know how she could have had any time for this," Grant said.

Hubbs, who was arrested Thursday at her Livermore home, took one alleged victim to a local motel for intercourse, police said. They said she had sex with the second boy, who was 14, at least 15 times in the past eight months.

Police said Hubbs drove the boys around town in her black Hummer H2 - which had a personalized plate reading, "HUMDNGA" - sometimes engaging in sex acts in the vehicle.

Police said they learned of the crimes on July 27, when a mother of one of the alleged victims reported finding a nude photo of Hubbs on his phone.

In a separate misdemeanor charge, authorities allege that Hubbs recently bought pellet and water guns for several boys ages 9 to 14, then drove the boys around Livermore residential neighborhoods - at speeds up to 80 mph - as they fired at bystanders from the windows.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/10/BAGP1ERBI8.DTL#ixzz0wDv3jv5E
 
Cougars? I see nothing about Mountain Lions in this post. When Cougars do attack, you better have a good knife, or a decent gun with you. If not you better be a fast runner, or know how to fight a wild animale.
 
So many aspects to this story...

- Was the "Cougar" fad partially a motivator?
- Stealing the daughter's boy friend: classic female competition?
- Sex-obsessed media and society?
- Did anti-gun fervor play a role? It seems to have started the investigation.
- Unintended consequence of the feminist agenda? I.e. Extreme militant feminist view that all heterosexual relations are "abusive" results in sex being viewed as a crime (reflected by new laws and attitudes over the past several decades)?
- Excess prosecution and publicity by the Police and media to "prove" that they do not hold a double-standard? Or making a point of some kind by over-prosecuting this?

Most of the above. My mom made it a point to tell me how gosh-darned hot my more-than-thirty-years-younger-than-her then-husband was quite often. That was gross. I doubt the "Cougar" fad was a motivator any more than it's actually a fad. Teen boys and older women are not a new combination.

The other reasons are certainly quite suspect.
 
mother accused of sexually assaulting two teenage boys first made an advance at one of them when he was 14 and was dating her daughter of the same age, authorities said.

There is a movie about this made by a famous French director called "Ken Park". It's an amazing film, however keep in mind it was banned from being shown at film festivals in several countries due to the questionable ages of some of the actors.
 
I don't get it. I'm only a few years older than her, but I haven't seen a "hot" 15 year old boy since I was 18. I have 2 boys, so there's always kids running in and out of my house, and they are so freaking goofy that I can't imagine any normal adult actually finding them erotic in any way.
 
I don't get it. I'm only a few years older than her, but I haven't seen a "hot" 15 year old boy since I was 18. I have 2 boys, so there's always kids running in and out of my house, and they are so freaking goofy that I can't imagine any normal adult actually finding them erotic in any way.

Lol! Ain't that the truth. Girls of that age too. I have a niece around that age and I call her the "special needs" niece because she is so goofy. Not saying there aren't exceptions. It's all a bell shaped maturity curve, which is why hard and fast "age of consent" limits don't always make sense. Maybe these "boys" were the kind of guys who had beards and are 6' tall in Junior High school. :eek: More than likely, this "cougar" was probably immature in some ways. Who knows.
 
My mom made it a point to tell me how gosh-darned hot my more-than-thirty-years-younger-than-her then-husband was quite often. That was gross. I doubt the "Cougar" fad was a motivator any more than it's actually a fad. Teen boys and older women are not a new combination.

I must admit, when I was in that younger age range (17-20), I dated a couple of girls whose mothers were quite attractive...

Is "Cougar" a fad now? It seems to have had a recent surge in popularity:

Cougar Club (2007)

When Spence and Hogan graduate from college, life is bleak. They have to work for heinous divorce lawyers that torture them. Spence has a girlfriend from hell and Hogan just wants to start his life already. As luck would have it, our two young men are presented with an opportunity, they develop a club of young men devoted to the older woman, the "Cougar" if you will. It is this club that ultimately guides our two heroes into young adulthood.

"Cougar Town" (2009)

A recently divorced woman decides to find some excitement in her dating life.

http://www.urbancougar.com/

Since 2004, the #1 website dedicated to cougar women and the cubs that adore them. Urbancougar: it's not a stigma, it's a sophisticated species of female who knows the pleasure of younger men. She avoids the entanglements of a "relationship," in favor of the freedom of the hunt. She has overcome the taboos related to her sexual identity, embraced her true self, and now lives her life to its fullest. Always one for adventure, she knows what she wants and isn't afraid to get it!

Some of these are plain scary, and there are plenty (too many) more:

http://www.dateacougar.com/
http://www.cougared.com/

Women: Why shouldn't you date younger men?

Welcome to goCougar.com - the premiere online community for mature women who prefer to date younger men. Feel comfortable with the possibility of starting an age-gap relationship in a community where people think just like you. May be you have experienced a lot in life already and now want a totally different type of relationship. Recapture some of your youth and try striking up a relationship, whether romantic or just friendship, with a younger man!

http://www.gocougar.com/
 
Cougars? I see nothing about Mountain Lions in this post. When Cougars do attack, you better have a good knife, or a decent gun with you. If not you better be a fast runner, or know how to fight a wild animale.

yeah the cougar that came within a foot of attacking me didn't look like that! It had a long tail and yellow eyes.
 
yeah the cougar that came within a foot of attacking me didn't look like that! It had a long tail and yellow eyes.

Yeah, these Cougars don't have long tails...unless you are talking about AngelaTC's avatar. You can run from these "cougars". Don't try to run from real cougars.
 
You people are over thinking this. Obviously, when yer older. Yer still gonna find younger people attractive. If you say otherwise, yer just lying period. I hate to be mean, but people don't age like fine wine or something. Seriously, when I'm 80 that hot college chick next door is still gonna be that hot college chick next door! Same goes for women, no matter how elitist they wanna be.

I mean I'll just be brutally honest certainly girls who aren't even 18 can be sexually attractive. Absolutely, I mean jeez it's not like they hit 18 and suddenly become must hit it now. A month before that mystical age they aren't even supposed to be worth looking at, please... I seriously don't get these older people who actively seek out HS students for relationships, though. Think back on yer relationships in high school would you really want kinda crap when yer 40 or older?! Come on...and then there's the pedophilia which doesn't even wait till puberty.
 
You people are over thinking this. Obviously, when yer older. Yer still gonna find younger people attractive. If you say otherwise, yer just lying period. I hate to be mean, but people don't age like fine wine or something. Seriously, when I'm 80 that hot college chick next door is still gonna be that hot college chick next door! Same goes for women, no matter how elitist they wanna be.

I mean I'll just be brutally honest certainly girls who aren't even 18 can be sexually attractive. Absolutely, I mean jeez it's not like they hit 18 and suddenly become must hit it now. A month before that mystical age they aren't even supposed to be worth looking at, please... I seriously don't get these older people who actively seek out HS students for relationships, though. Think back on yer relationships in high school would you really want kinda crap when yer 40 or older?! Come on...and then there's the pedophilia which doesn't even wait till puberty.

Duck and cover.
 
You people are over thinking this. Obviously, when yer older. Yer still gonna find younger people attractive. If you say otherwise, yer just lying period. I hate to be mean, but people don't age like fine wine or something. Seriously, when I'm 80 that hot college chick next door is still gonna be that hot college chick next door! Same goes for women, no matter how elitist they wanna be.

I mean I'll just be brutally honest certainly girls who aren't even 18 can be sexually attractive. Absolutely, I mean jeez it's not like they hit 18 and suddenly become must hit it now. A month before that mystical age they aren't even supposed to be worth looking at, please... I seriously don't get these older people who actively seek out HS students for relationships, though. Think back on yer relationships in high school would you really want kinda crap when yer 40 or older?! Come on...and then there's the pedophilia which doesn't even wait till puberty.

Meh. I'm generally attracted to older women because younger women are usually so....empty....apathetic....superficial....

But then I have always been more into what's going on in a persons head and heart than the condition of their skin.

I am sure that there are exceptions to the younger woman thing, and especially given that Paulers are way smarter and well informed than your average person, I am guessing that the "younger women are so empty" thing really wouldn't apply amongst the women on this forum for the most part.

But I have spent so much of my life looking towards older women that I would likely have to really and truly find "the one" to make it work with a younger woman.
 
You people are over thinking this. Obviously, when yer older. Yer still gonna find younger people attractive. If you say otherwise, yer just lying period. I hate to be mean, but people don't age like fine wine or something. Seriously, when I'm 80 that hot college chick next door is still gonna be that hot college chick next door! Same goes for women, no matter how elitist they wanna be.

We may be over-thinking the media/government/Police/society aspect of it... Your points are true (obviously). Although many people find people of a seasoned age attractive. Especially seasoned age in a great condition.

You bring up something that actually raises another issue: people sometimes stick with what they know, or lock in on a preference. Some people fixate on their "first". They don't grow from there. They are inflexible. They don't truly enjoy an experience with anything else. Which may be one of the reasons for this woman wanting these younger guys. Maybe she fixated on guys of a certain age at the time (when she was young), and hasn't gone beyond that. Without that fixation, she could just be just another woman having an affair with someone between the ages of 18 and 60.
 
Meh. I'm generally attracted to older women because younger women are usually so....empty....apathetic....superficial....

But then I have always been more into what's going on in a persons head and heart than the condition of their skin.

I am sure that there are exceptions to the younger woman thing, and especially given that Paulers are way smarter and well informed than your average person, I am guessing that the "younger women are so empty" thing really wouldn't apply amongst the women on this forum for the most part.

But I have spent so much of my life looking towards older women that I would likely have to really and truly find "the one" to make it work with a younger woman.

I wouldn't say that I'm especially attracted to older women (I'm 30), but I agree with your overall assessment whole-heartedly. I'm dismayed at the state of things, but you are correct that a Ron Paul woman would not be an insipid creature. How old are you anyway? I'm just curious as to what you would consider to be an older woman.
 
I wouldn't say that I'm especially attracted to older women (I'm 30), but I agree with your overall assessment whole-heartedly. I'm dismayed at the state of things, but you are correct that a Ron Paul woman would not be an insipid creature.

You may never find a woman who can converse on political issues. It may not matter though. It is only an issue if they hassle you about it. I once has a girlfriend who said "you talk about politics and watch it on TV, that's what my dad does!"

Let's see, if you are 30, you have to choose between the 39 year old mom and the 21 year old daughter... ;)
 
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