What's RPF's Opinion of Adam Kokesh?

[jllundqu]

I just learned that Adam is now here in Arizona and running for the U.S. Senate Seat on the Libertarian ticket. He found me on twitter, texted me, and invited me to join him at a LP meeting in Phoenix.

I was a big fan of his Veterans For Ron Paul marches, Iraq Veterans Against the War, and generally bringing attention to veteran suicides, etc.

I haven't been following him for some time and didn't even know he was in AZ, much less involved in AZ politics.

What does RPF think of Mr. Kokesh?

 

[pcosmar]

I just learned that Adam is now here in Arizona and running for the U.S. Senate Seat on the Libertarian ticket. He found me on twitter, texted me, and invited me to join him at a LP meeting in Phoenix.

I was a big fan of his Veterans For Ron Paul marches, Iraq Veterans Against the War, and generally bringing attention to veteran suicides, etc.

I haven't been following him for some time and didn't even know he was in AZ, much less involved in AZ politics.

What does RPF think of Mr. Kokesh?

I like him generally.. He does have a history of Grandstanding,, but makes valid points..

RPFs will have mixed reviews.. I'm sure.

 

[specsaregood]

Not a fan, used to be, but he went off his rocker.

 

[dannno]

I like him, some people don't, nobody is perfect..

I don't think anybody here could make the argument that the Senate would be worse off with him there.. obviously they would be much better off with him there. Same with Gary Johnson in NM.

 

[Working Poor]

He needs to clean up his act a lot if he wants to be taken seriously.

 

[jllundqu]

He needs to clean up his act a lot if he wants to be taken seriously.

In what way? What has he done that put you off?

 

[specsaregood]

In what way? What has he done that put you off?

Here is a fun thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504601-So-Apparently-Adam-Kokesh-is-an-abusive-sociopath

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Kokesh has been a martyr for gun rights, and spent a lot of time in jail for it. He was a political prisoner of the state.

On ther hand, there has been a lot of drama around him over the years.

All effort in Arizona should focus on supporting Kelli Ward right now. She has a chance. If Kelli does not win the Primary, Kokesh would make a fine protest vote against neoconservative dream girl Martha McSally.

 

[CaptUSA]

My take is that Kokesh is an unstable activist. Of course, most activists who are willing to push the limit are a little unstable.

I'm not sure how much he's matured in the last few years, but I'd approach any candidacy with caution. He's a great activist for the cause of liberty, but that doesn't necessarily translate into politics.

 

[dannno]

Here is a fun thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504601-So-Apparently-Adam-Kokesh-is-an-abusive-sociopath

A jilted ex-lover? Really?

Here's what I would guess happened in that relationship.. First of all, she was a bit younger and probably way less mature and less responsible than she seemed in the video. She chased him REALLY hard in the beginning, acted like she would do anything for him.. and he was probably really conflicted.. he was trying to go on tour and make a name for himself and growing the movement when suddenly this little harlot is trying to attach herself to him. If he was going to make this work, then he knew he was going to have to get her to grow up and help manage his enterprise so she didn't become a distraction. Girlfriends take up a lot of time and money, and last thing he wanted was to ruin our chance to see liberty in our lifetime because of this girl who he didn't really see as wife material but maybe if they went out for a while she would mature and grow and then maybe she would be wife material in the future.

She didn't seem to care about helping his enterprise, she acted like she was doing it for him instead of doing it for liberty. She became resentful. I'm pretty sure she had a lot of faults in the relationship. I'm pretty sure she was manipulative and conniving, which is why he may have acted that way in return.

Adam may be no saint, but that video shouldn't be taken very seriously imo.

 

[Suzanimal]

My take is that Kokesh is an unstable activist. Of course, most activists who are willing to push the limit are a little unstable.

I'm not sure how much he's matured in the last few years, but I'd approach any candidacy with caution. He's a great activist for the cause of liberty, but that doesn't necessarily translate into politics.

I agree.

 

[Suzanimal]

A jilted ex-lover? Really?

Here's what I would guess happened in that relationship.. First of all, she was a bit younger and probably way less mature and less responsible than she seemed in the video. She chased him REALLY hard in the beginning, acted like she would do anything for him.. and he was probably really conflicted.. he was trying to go on tour and make a name for himself and growing the movement when suddenly this little harlot is trying to attach herself to him. If he was going to make this work, then he knew he was going to have to get her to grow up and help manage his enterprise so she didn't become a distraction. Girlfriends take up a lot of time and money, and last thing he wanted was to ruin our chance to see liberty in our lifetime because of this girl who he didn't really see as wife material but maybe if they went out for a while she would mature and grow and then maybe she would be wife material in the future.

She didn't seem to care about helping his enterprise, she acted like she was doing it for him instead of doing it for liberty. She became resentful. I'm pretty sure she had a lot of faults in the relationship. I'm pretty sure she was manipulative and conniving, which is why he may have acted that way in return.

Adam may be no saint, but that video shouldn't be taken very seriously imo.

I watched the vid and here's my assessment from a few years ago. I stand by it.

He quit letting her drink coffee!!! I would've left right then, lol.

He gave another girl more attention during a threesome.

He made her late to two flights and yoga.

He made her drive with 21 blisters in her mouth during a snowstorm to pick up 30,000 books.

He jacks off in parking lots when she's sad.

Yoga makes her happy, she should do it.

Lots of crying.

They bought land she didn't like.

They went to church to meet the sad people that lived in that community. Bad energy there.



My assessment -
Sounds like he's a dick and she's a dumb ass.

 

[specsaregood]

Adam may be no saint, but that video shouldn't be taken very seriously imo.

I was referring to the entire thread more than the video. And if you don't think some elements of his real persona didn't come out through the whole jilted ex-lover dramalama, then you are just being willfully ignorant. He doesn't sound like the kind of person I'd want to support.

 

[dannno]

I was referring to the entire thread more than the video. And if you don't think some elements of his real persona didn't come out through the whole jilted ex-lover dramalama, then you are just being willfully ignorant. He doesn't sound like the kind of person I'd want to support.

I think she completely misrepresented a lot of things in the video, herself the most. Adam's actions are a lot more reasonable in situations that would make her look pretty bad, but there was nobody there to criticize her. Like, how did she act when she was on caffeine? Some women make their husbands quit drinking alcohol. Maybe she acted really shitty or just completely got on his nerves and he knew the only answer was for her to quit drinking coffee or end the relationship. So rather than ending the relationship he let her decide if she wanted to stop drinking coffee or end the relationship. Then she turns that into a whole control thing. That's bullshit, women do that all the time.... way more than men do. Then when a man does it, it's abuse? Sorry, but this makes me really question everything else in the video. She admitted she was on social media a lot and would ignore him when she got resentful. This is the kind of immaturity that he was likely dealing with on a day to day basis.

And again, Adam isn't perfect either, but a crazy ex-gf video isn't going to make any difference to me, if he is going to vote with Rand to oppose wars and reduce the size and scope of govt.

 

[specsaregood]

And again, Adam isn't perfect either, but a crazy ex-gf video isn't going to make any difference to me, if he is going to vote with Rand to oppose wars and reduce the size and scope of govt.

Except he isn't; because he isn't going to win the Senate, esp. on an LP ticket. It is at best an educational campaign and at worst a waste of funds. Luckily you are free to support whoever you want, but if I want to spend money on an educational ticket, then I expect that person to have pretty good personal character.

 

[Cleaner44]

I like and support Adam even though I am sure he is far from perfect. I have no doubt of his dedication to liberty.

I won't be voting for him over Republican Kelli Ward.

 

[dannno]

Except he isn't; because he isn't going to win the Senate, esp. on an LP ticket. It is at best an educational campaign and at worst a waste of funds. Luckily you are free to support whoever you want, but if I want to spend money on an educational ticket, then I expect that person to have pretty good personal character.

There are different levels of "support" in a campaign. You can support somebody without even donating or really doing anything.

You could say you wish him the best and if he comes out with good campaign material you might share it or something, but probably won't donate unless it looks like he has an actual shot at winning because you have some concerns about his character.

Or you might think that Kelli Ward isn't as good of a libertarian but has a much better chance and want to make sure she wins the primary first.

When you say you don't support somebody, it sounds like you would prefer they go home and get a job managing a Burger King, wouldn't vote for him if you lived in the district even if it was against a neocon, etc..

 

[TheTexan]

Adam Kokesh openly admits to being an anarchist. The US Senate was just renovated, so the last thing we need is him in there throwing molotov cocktails.

 

[jllundqu]

Sounds like he's a smart guy with some lady drama/baggage. I'd have a beer with him, but not holding my breath that he will ever be a serious candidate for office. That 'contract' was pretty creepy, but I've seen stranger. Maybe he can continue to be an advocate for liberty and move the needle a little bit here in AZ.

 

[jllundqu]

I like his homestead on 10 acres in Ash Fork, AZ, though... that's pretty freaking cool.