What's next for the liberty movement?

You didn't get banned for supporting the CONstitution, you got temp banned for being a jerk.

oh! that's Rich!
ROTFLMAO!
on RONPAULforums... the dude who goes by "Anti-Federalist" called ME a jerk! :p

AF abhors the CONstituton. so, what does he support?

Ideally, the "city states" of Renaissance Italy comes to mind.
how will this plan promote Liberty sir? :confused:

Liberty needs protecting. AF, it CANNOT thrive on it's own. History proves this. time and time again.

what the WORLD needs. is a Constitutional Federation. based on Liberty.
 
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Just for the peanut gallery, Ron Paul opined that he would have been an anti-federalist during the drafting of the Constitution, after praising Spooner at a GOP Lincoln dinner.

So when HVACTech is criticizing Anti Federalist for choosing that name on RONPAULforums, know that Ron agrees with Anti Federalist.
 
Just for the peanut gallery, Ron Paul opined that he would have been an anti-federalist during the drafting of the Constitution, after praising Spooner at a GOP Lincoln dinner.

So when HVACTech is criticizing Anti Federalist for choosing that name on RONPAULforums, know that Ron agrees with Anti Federalist.

I can agree with Ron on that.
our Founders were presenting a balanced argument. :)

so, what do Ron, Rand and Thomas Jefferson concur upon?

a Constitutional Federation of "states"

is best for protecting Liberty. :)

this remains true until this very day.

how best would YOU protect Liberty? feeding the abscess?
what a nice name! howsoever did you chose it?
such POWER! such Grace!

"feeding the abscess"
I bet that took a lot of thought. and SO difficult to defend!
or, are you doing that right now? :confused:
 
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I would hope that Liberty Forest remains,

Education,, awareness and organization .

I don't think we will change anything from the top down,, but from the bottom up.

Feed the roots.

that sounds like a Servo to me...
small signals CAN control large power.systems.

A servomechanism, sometimes shortened to servo, is an automatic device that uses error-sensing negative feedback to correct the performance of a mechanism and is defined by its function. It usually includes a built-in encoder.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/servomechanism

definitely a good idea sir!
 
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This is a very informative, energetic platform of liberty minded folks.. I hope its core message and structure stays intact even if some fine tuning is done with Rand out of the immediate race. Presidential races in US currently remain an illusion for the most part, an unapologetic message candidate like Ron Paul can inspire many and bring about some real change in peoples thinking even without "winning" in the traditional sense.

Keep up the great work!
 
I agree with everyone in this thread who has advocated our getting involved in local, county, and state politics/elections.

All well and good, with the understanding that such endeavors avails us nothing unless there is sufficient mass. Here I would suspect that "sufficient" would have to mean a proportion somewhere in the region of 50% of the people, if not more. This is particularly the case if we accept the reality of a so-called "globalist agenda", which at this point is no longer plausibly regarded as "conspiracy theory".

The self-admitted globalists are at the top of the control heap and have similarly made plain their goal of establishing overarching hegemony over the entire globe. Given that to which we have all born witness, this is some very serious business with vast investment having been devoted to the realization of the goal. I believe all reasonable men would agree that "global" doe not mean "almost global". It thereby follows that Theye would not be looking to spare the United States the mark of their brand. This means that America must be brought to heel.

Therefore, any serious attempt at freeing ourselves would have to possess the power to resist a cabal that has shown its willingness to lay waste entire nations that meet with its displeasure. Americans would have to come into very strong mutual accord in order to hold even the least hope of resisting a power that commands the might of most of the world's nations. Theye've shown themselves capable of anything in terms of intent and will, the only question remaining whether Theye can command or bribe sufficient resources to put America down by force.

I would suggest that anything significantly less than 100% accord of the relevant American subpopulation (fight-capable adults v. children, e.g.) would pose a dire threat to the prospects for a successful break from the self-styled masters. Add to that the fact that Theye would keep at us, year over year in all the usual ways such as economic blockading designed to starve us out. We retain next to no heavy industry, which means we would be in sore trouble were Theye to successfully cut off basics such as oil and steel supplies, just to mention two.

The prospects are indeed grim. Still worth trying, mind you - for living as a slave is no life at all - but let us not fool ourselves into thinking that if Theye can muster the obedient participation of the bulk of nations over a sufficiently long term that America would fall even in the best-case scenario regarding our national will and cohesion.

That's where civil government is closest to the people, anyway. Here are a few ideas that come to mind:


  • We need to get acquainted with our state constitutions and start holding our state legislatures accountable for their votes and laws, especially the ones where they allow the federal government to overstep their authority.

This assumes the validity of the documents in question. It further assumes sufficient understanding of proper human relations exists within the confines of each man's skull. I submit that neither assumption is even remotely true.

The case can, however, be made that says America is in dire need of heroic measures in order to save its life. I do, in fact, accept that as unequivocal truth. We need to act first, but only on the understanding that if we throw the vampire from our neck, we will have succeeded in completing but the first step in a laborious and hazard-fraught process of establishing a free land. Understanding freedom, proper human relations, etc. would have to become the next order of business and I remain fearful that attaining such accord in the context of a population the half or more of which has been infected with the disease of entitlement-mind

  • At the county level is where we need to start building support for third parties so that one day, hopefully, they will be taken more seriously on the national stage.
  • We need to attend city council and town hall meetings to learn about the issues which affect our lives daily, issues such as zoning laws, property taxes, and law enforcement initiatives.

I accept all this as valid, but insufficient. Without an overarching philosophy of freedom, there is no free land. If we are to reduce America to a hodgepodge of a thousand disjointed principalities constituted in random ways, I see no reason to save the land. If the result is my inability to go from place to place without fear of stepping into the domain of a petty, but dangerous tyrant, I want no part of it. Failure to establish an objectively derived and provably correct set of principles that comprise the universal basis of American life will only end us up in the same place, probably worse off than we now find ourselves. Without getting the basics established, there is no point in even bothering.
 
I was a member of the daily paul back in 2007 and have begun reading this site this year. I registered for this post and to share some thoughts...

The direction of the Liberty Movement must be on setting fires in the minds of men, women, and children. Sure, supporting campaigns is great, but elections are game that the rule-maker will not let you win. We are not at a point where a liberty campaign will succeed. Many people don't have the slightest clue what liberty is and don't want to take a moment to understand the philosophy surrounding it.

We must ignite liberty ideas in their minds. Remember "google Ron Paul?" "End the Wars?" "End the Fed?" "NSA Spying?" "Austrian economics?" "The golden Rule?"
We placed these ideas in the minds of many. We went to every corner of the internet, of our city, and let the truth be known. You can still see remnants of it today when you read an article and the comments are plastered with negativity toward the FED. Where is the passion that drove us to bullhorn this information. We need a uniform front to tackle this. We must be unified at a given time and plaster this country with ideas. We can make the ideas news. The budget is going to be a big issue coming up. Where are we on this. We can attack and stop any support of an unbalanced budget. To do so we need to mobilize and make this the new grandstand. And when were done with that we hit whatever the next need is. Storm the internet and your location with information. Where are the videomakers? Flood the internet with passionate videos about these subjects. Hit the hearts and minds of folks. They are all on the internet. Let our words of liberty and of freedom be there to greet them in the morning, gather with them at lunchtime, and rock them to sleep.

We get behind an idea who's time has come.
 
I think we should shift our focus to every other elected seat. Start a liberty score card, and rank every one who is elected or running for election on a scale. Make this site a goto place for people to evaluate candidates and their degree of liberty. Politicians like to tout where their NRA rating is or other private group ratings, so why not offer our own rating system.

Yes! We should definitely do this so that it's easier to keep track of who needs support.

We should also be working on local meetups and winning small elections. We really need liberty-minded people in all areas of government. Imagine if we had people like Chuck Baldwin, Gary Johnson, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and Ross Perot holding seats and offices throughout the country! Some are more socially conservative, some are more socially liberal, but they are all for liberty.
 
Our "tuna" would be a reinstatement of the Rule of Law and a massive anti-corruption campaign. Country wants it desperately.

Of course, you can expect certain infiltrator-betrayer types that have insinuated themselves amongst us to be kicking and screaming the entire way.
 
You are definitely wrong. The problem is the people do not want liberty. The way to change that, and thus make a liberty President viable, is to change people's minds. The way to change people's minds is to win local offices and demonstrate the effectiveness of liberty. This eliminates the fear, creates desire, and will lead to a liberty victory in the White House.

Until and unless we start working from the bottom up, we can go 100 years and this will never happen. Period.

So Ron Paul was not the biggest mind changer in the past several decades for the cause of liberty?
 
the situation today... is EXACTLY the same as it was in 08.
when I joined this website...

what we did back then, was the "Rally for the Republic"
for me. this offered me a chance to fight back. to flip the establishment Republicans the literal bird!

OMG! I met people from all over the US, in a cow pasture, in Minnesota. and they were ALL dedicated to a LOSING cause!
our Man had dropped out... things looked very much hopeless....

we did it anyhow. and it was way too much fun!

what if we organize something like that again?
 
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what if we organize something like that again?

And again and again and again. We'll accomplish nothing except for deluding ourselves like we've been doing already. We'll find a whole 3 republicans to support maybe.
 
AS IS TYPICAL WITH INTELLIGENT INDIVIDUALS, THIS IS BECOMING OVERLY-COMPLICATED

EACH MUST REVOLUTIONIZE HIS OR HER LIFE WITH DUE CARE AND ENLIGHTENED INSTROSPECTION

BITE OFF THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE CHEWED

EXAMINE THE SUCCESSFUL... ESCHEW THE HAPHAZARD MYOPES THAT ABOUND, BOUNCING OFF OF EACH OTHER LIKE THE TINY BUBBLES IN THE BEER THAT YOU WON'T STOP DRINKING TO SAVE THE WORLD
 
Lots of great ideas in this thread.

I do believe we need to have a multi-pronged effort on the liberty front.

National Liberty politicians are important like Rand, Amish, and Massie because they can get in front of people in Washington and talk about things that are important, like Audit the Fed, and legalization efforts and other things. Their voices are heard much louder than others, so it is still have an important elected officials that are our voice. Rand Paul is able to get the message out a lot better and gets more media attention and respect and credibility amongst his peers on certain issues, and even get people in the public to sway or influence their opinions. He's the only guy talking about unfair jail terms in the war on drugs as a republican. He's talking about decriminalizing MJ. If is PEERS say things like, "I Respect Rand Paul." When the public hears those things then when RAND speaks about liberty topics it is possible the public will take what he has to say and be able to reach those people and change their opinion.

#1) Continue to find and help get liberty minded individuals into Senate and congress seats. Some fights are not has expensive as others. As someone else mentioned, it would be also great to get some early primary officials like NH or IA or NV so that 2020 comes around they can officially endorse RAND Paul or whomever the liberty candidate is in front of the constituents of the entire state.

#2) Continue getting the local level liberty minded candidates in government. Let them sow the seeds at the grassroots level which Ron Paul has preached since day 1.

#3) Get behind ballot initiatives or create ballot initiatives at state level on key issues to help liberty. Such as the legalization efforts which have made huge progress via ballots. Would love to see decriminalization efforts, and other important liberty causes put forth.

#4) Continue to put effort into the bills ALREADY in Washington that are being ignored, delayed, rejected. Ron Paul's banner of freedom and rallying cry for the last 30+ years is AUDIT THE FED! We should not rest until the folks in Washington have their EARS drowning in demands to AUDIT THE FED. We cannot give up the fight! We cannot let up or let them think we have forgotten. Rand Paul has a few liberty minded bills floating around regarding MJ industry being able to use banks. OR Medical MJ. Or rescheduling MJ from the Schedule 1 substance. There are lots of bills out there but not enough momentum to force our elected officials into action. I think we can easily agree AUDIT THE FED is Ron Paul's defining bill and we should continue an effort to move it forward.



It is difficult to put energy into all these efforts, but I believe as some of these efforts arise we can shift our focus as needed.

if AUDIT THE FED is coming up soon in Washington, we should go into major PUSH mode to do whatever it takes to make it happen. If a liberty candidate pops up that has been researched to know he/she fits Rand, Ron, Justin, criteria we go in to push him through. If a major ballot initiative arises we jump into action to do what we can to get it on the ballot and then get the education out there to help it win the vote.



I can see this forum as still being the beacon of liberty and having a long term focus on these 4 areas, but being able to jump into various liberty efforts and make major pushes as issues and worthy causes come forth.
 
So Ron Paul was not the biggest mind changer in the past several decades for the cause of liberty?
Nope. It was that 19-year-old city counsel member who keeps voting to abolish all the zoning laws. :rolleyes:

But I don't entirely disagree with Gunny; I think an all-of-the-above approach is best.
 
If you want to work within the current system, there's only one goal that makes sense as a top priority: take over the Republican Party. This was the mission we were on in the 2012 cycle and it brought the liberty movement to its peak of influence. The apparent abandonment of this goal has led directly to the diminished movement we see today.
 
If you want to work within the current system, there's only one goal that makes sense as a top priority: take over the Republican Party. This was the mission we were on in the 2012 cycle and it brought the liberty movement to its peak of influence. The apparent abandonment of this goal has led directly to the diminished movement we see today.

Keep going at it. We need to control at least one state assembly + a governorship. Show that our ideas work in practice.

Fuck 1 city council + a mayoralty. Show that our ideas work, refuse federal funding.

If you do it on a state basis then you could talk about seceding from the GOP. Leaving the GOP is a huge mistake though.

Lets turn some states around.
 
If you want to work within the current system, there's only one goal that makes sense as a top priority: take over the Republican Party. This was the mission we were on in the 2012 cycle and it brought the liberty movement to its peak of influence. The apparent abandonment of this goal has led directly to the diminished movement we see today.

NO, it was the adopting of that strategy that led to the co-opting and neutering of the movement, as immediately evidenced by Rand's compromising approach to even stating a liberty position in the 2016 cycle. The temporary 'influence' the liberty side gained was not respected at all by the party leadership, who immediately yanked back control of most of the positions the Paulites gained circa 2012. The GOP is controlled by $25 billion special interest people like Adelson, every bit as much as the Democrats are by $25 billion special interest people like Soros. The takeover has to be of the system, not one party, in order to work and in order to keep the movement united.

By focusing on one party, the movement abandoned the Democrats and Independents who were first attracted to Ron Paul in 2007-8. It also needlessly divided a grassroots that was based on liberty issues, by the top-down edicts that tried change the mission into 'saving' an Adelson/Koch controlled party. Naturally, the liberty base was cut in half, not expanded by the time Rand tried to run, with many of its voters ultimately being co-opted by Cruz or Trump. Through such devices, the current system is designed to marginalize and defeat alternatives, be they operating inside or outside of the major parties. The current system has to be displaced, not worked within, in order for us to get anywhere.
 
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