What's Next for the Liberty Movement - Tom Woods

Also consider going to Libertyfest. http://lfnyc.com

Unlike some people we don't demonize and denigrate certain decent people in the liberty movement by calling them names. We welcome everybody.
 
There is no "next." Ron Paul has always been about promoting the message of liberty.
 
Pot shot, Tom. Now, if that "decent person" wouldn't claim that another person beat his wife, amongst other colorful things, perhaps that wouldn't sound so hypocritical.
 
Tom's a great guy, but from the comments on the video (which I can't watch at work), it amounts to more of the, "Don't spank your kids, buy organic food for Liberty" stuff. Which is fine, but my take on that is this: if you don't want to spank your kids, good for you. If you want to buy organic local food, good for you. But don't kid yourself that this is some kind of activism. It isn't. It's your personal lifestyle choice. Overpaying for squash at a farmer's market and calling it activism smacks of self-indulgence and self-congratulatory preening.

If you don't want to engage in political activism, fine, then don't. Just don't call yourself an activist for doing whatever you were going to do anyway.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Pot shot, Tom. Now, if that "decent person" wouldn't claim that another person beat his wife, amongst other colorful things, perhaps that wouldn't sound so hypocritical.
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I took Tom's statement as defending the organizers of PF, and not Adam Kokesh. And Tom could have been talking about himself as he's been on the outs from the campaign for some time. I don't think Tom is defending Kokesh.
 
aclove said:
Tom's a great guy, but from the comments on the video (which I can't watch at work), it amounts to more of the, "Don't spank your kids, buy organic food for Liberty" stuff. Which is fine, but my take on that is this: if you don't want to spank your kids, good for you. If you want to buy organic local food, good for you. But don't kid yourself that this is some kind of activism. It isn't. It's your personal lifestyle choice. Overpaying for squash at a farmer's market and calling it activism smacks of self-indulgence and self-congratulatory preening.

If you don't want to engage in political activism, fine, then don't. Just don't call yourself an activist for doing whatever you were going to do anyway.
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The video is all about political activism. It's all about what to do next. Okay, some folks may post non political stuff. And? Here at RPF people talk about "health freedom" and learning how to use a firearm and all sorts of stuff that isn't political activism. That doesn't mean they aren't political activists.
 
The Gold Standard said:
What if the guy really did beat his wife?
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Irrelevant since:

A) Tom Woods has never to my knowledge made that claim.
B) No credible evidence has come forward to support that claim.
C) Tom Woods has never to my knowledge defended Adam Kokesh.
 
jmdrake said:
I took Tom's statement as defending the organizers of PF, and not Adam Kokesh. And Tom could have been talking about himself as he's been on the outs from the campaign for some time. I don't think Tom is defending Kokesh.
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Ah, you may be right and if that is the case, kudos for Dr. Woods.
 
jmdrake said:
I took Tom's statement as defending the organizers of PF, and not Adam Kokesh. And Tom could have been talking about himself as he's been on the outs from the campaign for some time. I don't think Tom is defending Kokesh.
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That's how I understood it, too - as an oblique reference to that "those people are fringe/bad news" business.
 
What do you think that needs to be done after the election?

Tom Woods is asking what the Liberty Movement should do after the campaign. He is requesting ideas,comments,answers for the upcoming Libertyfest in New York.



If you have any idea that hasn't been mentioned or simply want to support one strategy over the other then post your answer on Tom's page:

http://www.tomwoods.com/afterpaul/

My take
1. Education
Education through the Mises Institute and Liberty Classroom and similar institutions. I think Ron Paul libertarians are already a lot brighter than their opposition in any other grass roots so this battle is already being won. Although the new batch of RP supporters that came during 2012 campaign has to do the same amount of research that those started earlier did.

2. Politics
My first point seems to always be the fall back position for libertarians. Many have argued that running for national political seats is hopeless because the establishment(ES) candidates have the money, media and the intellectuals on their side and that it is therefore impossible to win many seats and even harder to stay pure, with corrupting climate that exists in Washington. All of this is true since the public agrees with the establishment politicians(even if they hate one group or the other). In either case the ES can always find a political outside like Obama and present him as somebody who is going to change things. For evidence that the public will be fooled by this strategy just take a look at Carter who came in on the same platform.

However this doesn't mean that all is lost in politics. Ron Paul's old staff economist and friend Gary North has outlined the correct plan for political mobilization. Namely that because of the spotlight of the ES getting anything done at the national level is hard and instead a strategy of local control should be in place. RP people should get in at the ground floor and win in that way. Here libertarians have an advantage and they don't have to battle the establishment money,media, intellectuals for the simple reason that the establishment only cares about Washington.
Some might argue "there is no power to change at the local level because the states,counties,etc have been bought off" which is true but once America goes bankrupt as RP(and many free market economists predict) then the power of Washington rescinds and then playingfield is levelled considerably. It is a lot easier for the establishment to win in Washington because it is their home town but it is an altogether different ball game when power goes from 1 city to 50 states and many more counties. Gary North has formulated the plan better than I ever could so in case you're wondering here is the plan:

http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/04/09/why-ron-paul-should-not-run-as-a-third-party-candidate/
 
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Keep winning!

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I don't have an answer yet, but I am concerned that if Ron moves out of the limelight the principles that galvanized people will be less of a focus and people will drift away.

I'm hoping Ron will stick around in some capacity, but over time we need to figure out a way to keep those principles in view, imho.

Some think it is too high a standard, but I think it is what keeps people engaged.
 
This that video has been posted multiple times, I'll take this opportunity to state the obvious. After the election, people should continue to build themselves up as well known in the community in a positive way. People should still look for other well known, pro-liberty folks in the community and encourage them to run for office. People should continue lobbying their elected legislators.

It never changes and this election isn't anything special.

If you have been trying this strategy for years where you live and liberty isn't increasing in your area, consider moving to somewhere that the strategy actually works.
 
Keith and stuff said:
If you have been trying this strategy for years where you live and liberty isn't increasing in your area, consider moving to somewhere that the strategy actually works.
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Right, if people think they are just spinning their wheels in their area and/or don't want to spend their time restoring their local and state GOPs I would urge them to take a look at the Free State Project. In NH for sure, you don't have the local or state party bucking libertarians and about a third of the state house is libertarian-republican, increasing every election. Plus, the more people that move prior to '16, the more extra votes and activism that can go towards Rand in the early state voting which could help offset any Rubio or Christie media support. That said, I'm doing fine in my local and state activism and can see tangible results and more to come but I'm still committed to the FSP once they get all the signers the goal specifies. However, the early movers are seeing plenty of great results that makes the FSP more than just a good idea.
 
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