What you will now see from the Media

[Conza88]

In particular; I will focus on Fox News.

Since the President has changed, the party has changed, the INTENDED perception has changed, so does the media's overt agenda for each channel.

For the last 8 years Fox News has blatantly been pro-war, pro-fascism, pro-bush, pro-whatever they were told to be.

In those 8 years, it became to be seen for what it was - a propaganda network. It WASN'T just limited to them, but they were the obvious douchebags, they were the ones defending the state, the wars, Bush, etc.

Now, over the same last few years, in particular, all the attacks of Bush etc.... have been coming from the likes of Keith Olberman, MSNBC, etc. all the "lefties".

During this time, they gained credibility etc. Denounced wars, whatever. They "told it like it is". No real obvious "propaganda". (Obviously MASSIVE AMOUNTS, I'm just taking this from a laymans perspective... the general sheeple, who are now following Obama like drones)

Anyway, now that Obama is President, the script is going to flip.

MSNBC, CNN, Hardball, Olberman etc. THEY will become the propaganda outlets. THEY will be the NEW FAUX NEWS!

They speak out against the regime, when their "side" is not in power. NOTHING ever gets done, its all chatter in the wind, it SEEMS like there is vocal opposition to the status quo, but it really means jack squat.

This is why Glenn Beck moved to Fox News. They are now the ANTI-STATUS QUO CHANNEL. See his show? He's calling government

Glenn Beck Seems to Understand
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo at January 27, 2009 07:58 AM

This morning on Faux News he said, "the government has become just like the mob." He was referring to how the Fed ORDERED several banks to take bailout money, and then ORDERED them to lend it. He also used the "S" word to describe Obama's "economic plan."

Funny how Faux News supported Bushian fascism with every ounce of its energy, but is now becoming a critic of a slightly different form of socialism.​

- http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/025007.html

This is, there ain't nothing funny about it. FISHY is more like it.

So expect to start questioning yourself when Fox News actually say shit that makes sense, like Libertarian style stuff. (Won't be all the time, but more so than ever) Like actual Conservative, Glen Beck type of comments. All the trolls start to appear ok. It is because they are the new anti-status quo channel, who won't do shit against the other tide of public opinion and media.

People go, Fox News attacking Obama? Yeah, no wonder they supported Iraq, Bush, Neocons etc. They'll instantly dismiss whatever it is, and kling to the MSNBC, CNN BULLSHIT that will be thrown at them.

*sigh*

It is all part of the false paradigm. It is all coerced. It doesn't "just" happen.

</hopefully sensical rant>

 

[pacelli]

Great analysis. I can't stand to watch any of the mass media news channels, so I can't really comment in depth about what Fox or MSNBC is doing. I know that Fox's message has definitely changed, based on a few programming changes. Propaganda programming. My distaste for these channels means that I don't have conversations about some missing kid, a murdering mom, or some flip comment by a politician.

 

[smithtg]

I had nbc on last night and I wanted to puke. ABC, CBS and others are nearly as bad. Beck is barely standable and Hannity is just a warmonger who somehow thinks smaller government includes a huge defense department and just cant get over the "Fox of the past" to turn it to that channel. Hannity is funny when he goes off about obamamania though, but again the rules dont apply when someone questions him about "W"

Really is there any good TV news anymore? Ill stick to internet outlets for (some of) the truth

 

[sevin]

People go, Fox News attacking Obama? Yeah, no wonder they supported Iraq, Bush, Neocons etc. They'll instantly dismiss whatever it is, and kling to the MSNBC, CNN BULLSHIT that will be thrown at them.

wow. Yeah, that sounds about right. Whenever we speak out against Obama, we'll automatically be associated with the neocons. ugh

 

[Chosen]

I know what you are saying about Fox News and it is infuriating how they ignored the RINO agenda and anti-Constitutional behavior of the Bush administration.

One example moment was when Bill O'Reilly was trying to coax Americans into accepting the Amnesty proposal, saying it was the best deal we are gonna get. It was probably the most overt propaganda I had ever seen. The funny thing was the actual legislation had not been released yet, it had only been drafted by lulac, mecha, Ted Kennedy, other dems, Bush and McCain/Graham, Ed Gillespie and Harry Reid in a backroom. Even Tom Tancredo had only been able to get pieces of it...No person had read it completely, so to have Bill trumpet it for acceptance was extreme to say the least.

In a defense of Glenn Beck, he is saying much the same thing that got him canned from CNN and from what I understand is creating some friction at fox. I do know that O'Reilly and he are at odds. It has been said that O'Reilly thinks he has an outdated view (translation speaks to what people are really saying/thinking).

But I do agree with the too little too late approach, they had a chance to help expose and they did not. After all, Rupert Murdock is a Hillary supporter and sees the Obama election as profitable. This is the case for many so-called Conservative talk show hosts. They let Bush slide and didn't ratchet up the heat when they should of, on purpose it seems.

 

[akihabro]

That's why I watch CNN, CSPAN, FOX, BBC, MSNBC(rarely) and use the net.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

wow. Yeah, that sounds about right. Whenever we speak out against Obama, we'll automatically be associated with the neocons. ugh

We were pegged as lefties when we demonstrated against the neocons too...seems to be a lose-lose trap they've tried to set for us. Fuck their little matrix-I'll oppose 'em all the way. NWO fails!

 

[slothman]

One example moment was when Bill O'Reilly was trying to coax Americans into accepting the Amnesty proposal, saying it was the best deak we are gonna get.

What is this you are talking about?
I don't watch "faux news" so I don't know.
The only thing I can think of is the immigrants.
In either case it sounds like he is the DA.
Amnesty sounds like we commited a crime and we need a good deal.

 

[eOs]

You talk as if these show hosts are writing their own programs. 'Glenn Beck is good some of the time.' They are all talking heads. If you are discouraged with the government, watch our show at 4:30. If you like our government, tune in at 5! It's all viewer/rating type bullshit. This is a business. I wouldn't believe any of these guys if they told me their real names.

 

[paulitics]

Fox news is actually benefitting from this Obamamania. They have all but put an end to MSNBC's surge. Unfortunately, they are still defining conservative as war and police state, and this is all their sheep will regurgitate back to you, when you try to explain the simple difference between small and big government.

 

[Original_Intent]

Very nice observation. Thanks for the insight, OP!

 

[slacker921]

The sad thing was hearing the rants from FOX (including Glenn Beck) over the closure of Gitmo. They're still clinging to the War on Terror and probably will until the very end.

I'm not sure anything has really changed - the "liberal" outlets have always been propaganda machines for the Democrats and they continue to be. Fox is still the outlet for the neoconservatives who now see that their best line of attack is economics. The only change is FOX has changed from defensive tactics to offensive.

 

[yokna7]

I can find no credibility with either side considering they supported either McCain or Obama. Olbermann will definately lose viewers because the "change has happened" - hilarious. And the "underdog" will always garner increasing support.

But you hit on it right. The media is a tool to emphasize the slight differences between the two sides of congress. When we know in reality the foreign policy, economic/fiscal are relatively the same.

It is all spectacle. You may be better off watching Yale play Harvard, because it is more of an issue of "rivalry" than actual substance. All spectacle.

 

[Conza88]

Ok, this is the bs I'm talking about. On dailypaul front page:

"It seems Ron Paul has taught Glenn Beck well"

Now, look at what is being said! Good fcken GAWD.

THe ONLY REASON: it is being said NOW, is because it DOES NOT MATTER to them.

It is ALL about Fox News, re-capturing it's base. The sad thing is, it's not because Glen Beck is learning or anything - it's because he's now been given the ABILITY to attack outright. Because the higher ups have allowed it.

Why couldn't he do this on his show ALL THROUGHOUT the campaign? i.e Because it mattered then, it may have swayed peoples votes.

So I guess, it's hard - you spread this; you give fox news credibility. But I guess, you should point out, this in some way, and then get folks to read AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS. OR - RON PAUL was RIGHT ALL ALONG.

Use the outlet, but convert them before Fox News changes tune again and they follow like sheep.

 

[jkr]

down is up and black IS white

 

[Chosen]

Ok, this is the bs I'm talking about. On dailypaul front page:

"It seems Ron Paul has taught Glenn Beck well"

Now, look at what is being said! Good fcken GAWD.

THe ONLY REASON: it is being said NOW, is because it DOES NOT MATTER to them.

It is ALL about Fox News, re-capturing it's base. The sad thing is, it's not because Glen Beck is learning or anything - it's because he's now been given the ABILITY to attack outright. Because the higher ups have allowed it.

Why couldn't he do this on his show ALL THROUGHOUT the campaign? i.e Because it mattered then, it may have swayed peoples votes.

So I guess, it's hard - you spread this; you give fox news credibility. But I guess, you should point out, this in some way, and then get folks to read AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS. OR - RON PAUL was RIGHT ALL ALONG.

Use the outlet, but convert them before Fox News changes tune again and they follow like sheep.

From what I understand it is because he was walking on egg shells with CNN. Between he and Lou Dobbs there was a massive activist attendance which was contradictory to the far left agenda of Ted and Co. They started to put the two in the same time slot, then canned Beck when he began to speak of pitchforks and torches and have them on the set. They canned him from what I have heard was due to Republican anger during the election cycle (the GOP voice was McCain Left).

As consolation he received the Fox gig, but only after the election.

 

[Matt Collins]

wow. Yeah, that sounds about right. Whenever we speak out against Obama, we'll automatically be associated with the neocons. ugh

And that is a very real danger. But it's why we must scream at the top of our lungs to distinguish ourselves from the big-government conservative crowd.

 

[Matt Collins]

It is all part of the false paradigm. It is all coerced. It doesn't "just" happen.

If you think this is all some sort of conspiracy theory then you are off your rocker



That being said there is some truth to what you are saying about the noticeable differences. But what is happening is that the neo/conservatives are aligning with the libertarians not necessarily because of principle, but because of partisanship. For example... not a single Republican in the house voted for the stimulus package. However many of them did vote for the first Wall Street bailout. I think many would've voted for this one if it wasn't the opposition in the White House. It's easy to throw stones at your opponent but it takes real resolve to throw stones at members of your own party.


So I say we start educating and milking the media coverage for all it's worth to hopefully explain libertarianism and the philosophical foundation thereof. This way when the neo/conservatives split in the future we can have more people with us than previously.

 

[Athan]

I don't watch fox news. I youtube it from you guys.

 

[Conza88]

If you think this is all some sort of conspiracy theory then you are off your rocker

What, like you're off your rocker if you believe there is a move towards world government? Please don't insult Ron Paul like that.

That being said there is some truth to what you are saying about the noticeable differences. But what is happening is that the neo/conservatives are aligning with the libertarians not necessarily because of principle, but because of partisanship. For example... not a single Republican in the house voted for the stimulus package. However many of them did vote for the first Wall Street bailout. I think many would've voted for this one if it wasn't the opposition in the White House. It's easy to throw stones at your opponent but it takes real resolve to throw stones at members of your own party.

Perceived opposition. Every Republican will "oppose it" <- LOL. But the bill will STILL GET PASSED. Just you watch. And if it fails like last time, they'll come back again.

In the mean time, the rest of America who OPPOSE the bailouts, instead of going MAN, the Democrats AND Republicans - SUCK BALLS. What about the Libertarian party?!?

They are all filtered back into the Republican party, which is controlled.

How The Elite Control Politics

^ Wake the fck up.

So I say we start educating and milking the media coverage for all it's worth to hopefully explain libertarianism and the philosophical foundation thereof. This way when the neo/conservatives split in the future we can have more people with us than previously.

Ummm, yeaaah this is exactly what I've said. Point people to it, but also acknowledge it for the message, and SHOW THEM OTHER MATERIAL: show them it is being discussed on the mainstream news, then point them to LEWROCKWELL.COM and MISES.ORG - use the mainstream media, to help give credibility.

But if we start going, WATCH fox News, watch Glen Beck - all that happens is, they eventually change their tune. AS THEY WILL. Then all the work goes wasted, the drones you were telling to watch Glen Beck, are now going to get confused when you say - "Don't watch Glen Beck, we really aren't terrorists!"