What would you do if Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is elected President?

[Peace&Freedom]

A) Quit politics- It will help you keep your mind off of it but you will still be reminded every April 15th.

B) Leave America- Will get you away from all the nonsense but there might be more nonsense elsewhere.

C) Get Rand ready for 2024 but requires extreme patience.

D) Join the Oathkeepers. Could help others but could get yourself killed.

Since I already am with Oathkeepers I chose C. But whether Rand is the best liberty standard bearer going forward after 2016 is something to be figured out later by the grassroots---it may be that the Pauls are like Moses, who were meant to guide the movement to the Jordan, but were not to cross it to the Promised land.

If Hillary is elected, the best we can do is shift emphasis to the Senate races, and give conservatives a 60+ majority in the 2018 midterms. If Trump is elected, for the first time in 28 years, we'll have a GOP President who is not fixated on advancing neocon foreign policy, i.e., non-stop war mongering.

 

[Batman]

See if Robert Paul is any closer to dad on foreign policy. Beg him to run for office by slamming his email.

 

[KEEF]

After this election cycle, I'm going to call it a wrap and spend more time with my family. I've done the whole political activism and State Deligate thing the past two cycles only to find out most decisions are already made. Sometimes it gets too depressing to get so emotionally involved in something that gets highjacked by TPTB.

 

[eleganz]

C) Get Rand ready for 2024 but requires extreme patience.

As we have witnessed this election cycle, there is no patience. Most RPF members blindly follow polls just like the masses because that is what the media wants them to think. There is no difference.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Since I already am with Oathkeepers I chose C. But whether Rand is the best liberty standard bearer going forward after 2016 is something to be figured out later by the grassroots---it may be that the Pauls are like Moses, who were meant to guide the movement to the Jordan, but were not to cross it to the Promised land.

If Hillary is elected, the best we can do is shift emphasis to the Senate races, and give conservatives a 60+ majority in the 2018 midterms. If Trump is elected, for the first time in 28 years, we'll have a GOP President who is not fixated on advancing neocon foreign policy, i.e., non-stop war mongering.

His foreign policy statements are nearly all about warmongering. He is going to build the biggest army anybody has ever seen and go kick everybody else's ass from Syria to China to Russia. Speak loudly and carry a big stick.

 

[BUTSRSLY]

I WILL SUPPORT OUR NOMINEE WHOMEVER IT IS BECAUSE THAT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AMERICAN

 

[Peace&Freedom]

His foreign policy statements are nearly all about warmongering. He is going to build the biggest army anybody has ever seen and go kick everybody else's ass from Syria to China to Russia. Speak loudly and carry a big stick.

1) Trump's campaign is focused around immigration, a domestic cultural issue. To repeat, that has been his focus, not foreign policy. The other GOP contenders (Bush, Rubio) clearly make "leading," or non-stop meddling abroad nearly their entire focus.

2) He has said the Iraq war was a mistake, and attacked the Bush Administration for pursuing it. He has also plainly stated he welcomes Putin or other regional leaders taking the lead or intervening, instead of just the US. This is not the same thing as a "more war 24/7, all in, no exit" mindset, with "the US must lead" or be the only world leader talk you get from the neocon candidates.

3) Trump thus plainly does not have a plan for further US world domination (just as he appears to lack a specific plan on most other issues). Neocons like Jeb, Cruz and Rubio clearly do have a set "bomb this country first, that country into submission next" playbook or outlook to conforming the rest of the world to the US's will. It's that very empire stance that keeps fueling the new conflicts, instead of resolving them peacefully. Trump uses general "pro-strength" rhetoric (as does Rand), but is not consumed with expanding the US military empire.

 

[puppetmaster]

Trump is Polish Born.
Ted Cruz is Canadian next question...

Trump was born in queens....Cruz yup Canada

 

[Sola_Fide]

I WILL SUPPORT OUR NOMINEE WHOMEVER IT IS BECAUSE THAT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AMERICAN

Haha Murica

 

[EBounding]

¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[TheTexan]

Many will do the same thing in another four years and expect different results, just like they did four years ago, and four years before that, and so on.

Well, if Trump gets elected, it would have to wait 8 years before we could run Rand as a Republican.

8 years is probably enough time to practice voting. We should be a lot better at it by then.

Otherwise we can aim for 2032 if that doesn't work.

 

[adam220891]

If we don't get a limited-government person in the White House and if we fail to get a significant number of them in Congress, we will quickly be beyond the point of no return.

Government can only get so big and the debt so massive before it's too late to change our ways.

At that point, leaving the country is really the only option, though I'm not sure there's any country that has the sort of government I'm looking for.

I voted 'quit politics' because that will come first, before more drastic measures.

 

[69360]

Nothing. Every 4 years we get people who mouth off about the sky will fall if so and so is elected and they are leaving the country. It doesn't and they don't.

I live in the safest, oldest whitest state in the country. Nothing bad is going to happen here.

I think Rand will have a better chance in 2020 and would support him again.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Accept that bitching and moaning on an internet forum doesn't do much of anything constructive to get someone elected. To do that, you have to learn how to be effective and get off your ass and work for it.

she said on an Internet forum.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Nothing. Every 4 years we get people who mouth off about the sky will fall if so and so is elected and they are leaving the country. It doesn't and they don't.

I live in the safest, oldest whitest state in the country. Nothing bad is going to happen here.

I think Rand will have a better chance in 2020 and would support him again.

If a non-liberty Republican wins in 2016, Rand definitely won't run in 2020, and we could (and should) try somebody else. If Hillary wins, given the electoral failure of the Pauls across three cycles, we probably would need to consider somebody else anyway.

We should also consider focusing on Senate and other lower races post 2016, instead of the Presidential race we keep losing. Is the liberty movement just a personality cult about getting the Pauls in the White House, or is it about electing more liberty people in general?