Gary Johnson What % will Gary Johnson get nationally

[nyrgoal99]

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[nyrgoal99]

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[misean]

Regrettably he isn't going to do well. I'm going guess 1 percent of slightly less. I think he does better than Bob Barr.

It looks like this is going to be pretty accurate.

 

[QWDC]

Since it looks like Obama has just about got it wrapped up, is it time to start looking at what Johnson actually got?

In KY with 90%+ reporting Johnson has .96% of the vote. I'll update other states here in a while

EDIT: neve rmind, politico is actually reporting Johnson's numbers. Just find them there.

 

[mport1]

I wanted to bump this thread as a reminder for people who were expecting large results for Gary. It appears that he did not even crack the 1% mark, meaning that 76% of people here overestimated his outcome. More surprisingly 16% of people expected 5% or higher!

Let this be a lesson to people to have realistic expectations in the future about the LPs vote totals. I remember back in 2004 when I bet a number of people Michael Badnarik would easily break 1%. He pulled a whopping .32% of the vote...

People are not going to vote 3rd party anytime soon, and I think we really need to abandon the Libertarian Party which has been infiltrated by Republicans like Gary Johnson, Bob Barr, and Wayne Root. If you want to participate in politics, consider doing so in one of the two major parties, and if you really want to work within the LP, please realize that they are not going to win and the party should be a vehicle to educate the public. To that end, we need to nominate principled people who are not pro military intervention, for a "fair" tax, and against ending the war on drugs (just for legalizing, TAXING, and REGULATING marijuana). GJ didn't even embrace the non-aggression principle or understand Austrian economics.

I've made the mistake in the past of thinking a watered down candidate was the best option for spreading liberty. In fact, just over 4 years ago I was advocating for Bob Barr from an anarchist perspective on RPF haha! I will not be making that mistake again.

Below is the historical election results for the LP for your reference. The LPs best performance was over 30 years ago

1972 John Hospers - 0.00%
1976 Roger MacBride - 0.21%
1980 Ed Clark - 1.06% (Best performance ever due to funding from billionaire VP candidate David Koch)
1984 David Bergland - 0.25%
1988 Ron Paul - 0.47%
1992 Andre Marrou - 0.28%
1996 Harry Browne - 0.50%
2000 Harry Browne - 0.36%
2004 Michael Badnarik - 0.32%
2008 Bob Barr - 0.40%
2012 Gary Johnson - 0.98%

 

[misean]

I wanted to bump this thread as a reminder for people who were expecting large results for Gary. It appears that he did not even crack the 1% mark, meaning that 76% of people here overestimated his outcome. More surprisingly 16% of people expected 5% or higher!

People are not going to vote 3rd party anytime soon, and I think we really need to abandon the Libertarian Party which has been infiltrated by Republicans like Gary Johnson, Bob Barr, and Wayne Root. If you want to participate in politics, consider doing so in one of the two major parties, and if you really want to work within the LP, please realize that they are not going to win and the party should be a vehicle to educate the public. To that end, we need to nominate principled people who are not pro military intervention, for a "fair" tax, and against ending the war on drugs (just for legalizing, TAXING, and REGULATING marijuana). GJ didn't even embrace the non-aggression principle or understand Austrian economics.

I don't think most people who actually looked at the odds thought GJ was going to do much better than 1%. I do agree that the party should be used to educate not get people elected.


I'm for a consumption tax. I'm for taxing and regulating marijuana just like cigarettes. Neither one of those positions are inconsistent with being a libertarian. They are only inconsistent with being a Rothbardian. There is nothing wrong with approaching life from a cost/benefit, pragmatic viewpoint and arriving at the conclusion that libertarian policies yield the best outcome. That's how Mises and Hayekviewed the world.

 

[mport1]

I don't think most people who actually looked at the odds thought GJ was going to do much better than 1%. I do agree that the party should be used to educate not get people elected.

Not according to the poll results here. Almost 100 votes, and the vast majority guessed 1%+.

I'm for a consumption tax. I'm for taxing and regulating marijuana just like cigarettes. Neither one of those positions are inconsistent with being a libertarian. They are only inconsistent with being a Rothbardian. There is nothing wrong with approaching life from a cost/benefit, pragmatic viewpoint and arriving at the conclusion that libertarian policies yield the best outcome. That's how Mises and Hayekviewed the world.

As a violation of property rights, taxes are theft, plain and simple. They are a violation of the non-aggression principle, a core tenet of libertarianism. Personally I don't believe that a person who favors taxation can qualify as a libertarian (maybe libertarian leaning though). However, the word has certainly morphed over the years which I tend to call myself a voluntaryist to avoid confusion.

I believe that a utilitarian framework is wrong, but that wasn't my biggest problem with GJ.

By the way, this is the statement you have to sign to become a member of the Libertarian Party. By my reading of it, somebody who supports taxation does not qualify.

I certify that I oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

That 1 million votes for Gary Johnson (and maybe a few hudnred thousand votes for RP) could have pushed the GOP over the top. Oh wellz, too bad GOP.

 

[liveandletlive]

i wonder how many Ron Paul would have gotten had he been the LP candidate