What Really Happened?

[TheTexan]

We pay taxes to maintain infrastructure. Lots and lots of taxes.... Hmmmm.

Our system isn't perfect but it has roads

 

[TheTexan]

We clearly need more roads, and also voting.

Roads are usually controlled by the local deep state. It's a real problem in this country, that road construction & maintenance is so far removed from the people that are actually voted into office.

We need someone to drain the swamp, and make our roads great again

 

[timosman]

Roads are usually controlled by the local deep state. It's a real problem in this country, that road construction & maintenance is so far removed from the people that are actually voted into office.

We need someone to drain the swamp, and make our roads great again

Yeah, you don't get a dime.

 

[osan]

Fine thoughts, but shouldn't we go a little deeper? Some forgotten slogansmith did not turn the country on a dime. No, modernity itself conspires against all humanity, bent on devouring anything that looks like a soul or a genuine community. Moderity's overriding theme is utter, mortal opposition to any overriding themes or meaningfulness.

Modernity is bent on destroying organic connections and meaning. Is it a surprise that men today struggle and largely fail to live satisfying, happy, meaningful lives?

We crave organic communities.



Think of the Amish. To live a life in one community, a true community, deeply knowing everyone there, from childhood, and only coming to know them more and more as you mature and go through life. Knowing everyone's story. Everyone knows yours. If you live with honor and integrity, you are respected. Your kids can actually walk free and have fun.

This is their life.

This was everyone's life 200 years ago. And 2000 years ago. It was a good life.



A life worth fighting to restore, to make real.

Because nothing else is real, that's for sure. So if we don't have that, we've got zip.

Well stated.

Most of the walking carcasses have nothing, save their morbid avarice, shrinking timidity, a drive to do as little as possible if it resembles work or responsibility, and proudly boastful ignorance.

They choose this of their free will. The only immediate pity there is that the sucking noise made by the walking dead drags those worthy of something better into the abyss as well. That is the only sadness I discern with the prospect of universal human genocide. As for the wad, I could not care less.

Humans.

 

[PierzStyx]

Welcome to the forum, btw.

Do you work for the movie website, like to dance, or are you a fan of the ZZ Top album?

Maybe he or she is just a big fan of thunderbolts and lightning.

 

[PierzStyx]

This was everyone's life 200 years ago. And 2000 years ago. It was a good life.

Yawn.

Telling that you have to resort to fantasy for your fictional world.

Reality is that 200 years ago you were lucky to live past five, lived in conditions that today are unimaginable to all except those living in the worst, poorest modern nations, and had, at best, a primary education if you could read or write at all. In fact, no country in the world today has a lower life expectancy than the the countries with the highest life expectancy in 1800. Meaning our modern poor live better than even the best did 200 years ago. And it is projected to only continue getting better.

https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

Peddle your mythical Fascist fantasies elsewhere.

 

[VIDEODROME]

I dunno, I've lived around Amish people and that's not for me lol. I would buy produce from them and it seemed sad their kids were in awe of my old beat up car.

Some Amish also still seem cool with animal abuse mistreating their horses. Something about God giving man dominion over the animals is interpreted as giving permission to treat them poorly or leave them Parked for hours still tethered to their buggies.

Also, young Amish who simply have to much human curiosity about the world can be caught being to familiar with Evil Technology and shunned. I don't think the Amish are really above corruption either and Elders may wield Shunning as a tool to protect their interests or in some cases their drug crops.

I suppose Modernity can have awkward growing pains as things advance, but I don't see any benefit to going backwards and regressing in an idealized Shire.

 

[H_H]

Yawn.

Bless you.

Telling that you have to resort to fantasy for your fictional world.

Pierzy, you find me a Youtubey of Typical English Village 400 years ago. I'll totally post it.

I will.

Meantime, you really gonna hate on Tolkien? You that much of a hater?

Everything is Awesome!

Come on, you're going to write that and then not post the song?

This is the best song to come out of popular music this decade. Bar None.
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Peddle your mythical Fascist fantasies elsewhere.

So, the past is Fascist now?

Yeah, it probably is.

The Past totally stunketh-ed! Modernity is awesome and also awesome! Let's move Boldly into the Future.


Tired: God. Family. Country.

Wired: Vote. Porn. Buy stuff.

 

[H_H]

Old: Human values.

Bold: Modifying yourself to like Hydrogen. There's a lot of Hydrogen.

Foretold: Modifying yourself to like Suffering. There's a lot of Suffering.

 

[pcosmar]

Anyone care for some boiled Frog Legs?

 

[H_H]

I dunno, I've lived around Amish people and that's not for me lol. I would buy produce from them and it seemed sad their kids were in awe of my old beat up car.

That ain't sad: you should be in awe of it, too. Old beat-up cars rule.

Some Amish also still seem cool with animal abuse mistreating their horses. Something about God giving man dominion over the animals is interpreted as giving permission to treat them poorly or leave them Parked for hours still tethered to their buggies.

Oh brother, who cares? Remember how I was more concerned about HUMANS living satisfying, meaningful, happy lives? If that meant we had to kill all the horses and eat them, I'd be down with that. So would every other (even marginally) sane person.

Also, young Amish who simply have to much human curiosity about the world can be caught being to familiar with Evil Technology and shunned. I don't think the Amish are really above corruption either and Elders may wield Shunning as a tool to protect their interests or in some cases their drug crops.

Whoa, there is still corruption, even among the Amish? This cannot be! This must not stand!

See, this is why I call it Neo-Puritanism (this week). And by this paragraph you seem to be infected by it, Videodrone. It's this obsession to create a perfect utopia on Earth, a driving manic force to sculpt human nature into New [Fill-In-The-Buzzword] Man, and the deranged and reality-ignoring belief that they could actually succeed. Because obviously there is corruption in human societies. Obviously there is unkindness. Obviously people have their own interests and agendas. That you trumpet the existence of these obvious universalities as proof of the Failure of the Amish communities is very telling. It reveals to us readers, and perhaps, if you're extremely smart and capable of self-reflection, to yourself, what it is your mind-bug is driving at. Failure to do what? To eliminate human failings, failings which obviously cannot be eliminated. Why does the mind-bug want you to focus on that? Ahh, you'll have to figure that out on your own. Think on it.

I suppose Modernity can have awkward growing pains as things advance, but I don't see any benefit to going backwards and regressing in an idealized Shire.

There is no backwards, only forwards. Now jump in the Ghetto Cruiser and let's do this thing! Savin' the world. Buckin' the trends. Remember: the rebel of the twenty-first century will be old-fashioned. And one way or other, we shall assuredly win. The future belongs to me.

 

[VIDEODROME]

I guess I was just saying I don't see any sign that Amish life is somehow better.

Would I want to throw away modern conveniences and still have many of the same community 'flaws'?

 

[Jamesiv1]

Maybe he or she is just a big fan of thunderbolts and lightning.

mama mia!

where is my sidekick when i need him...?

 

[H_H]

I guess I was just saying I don't see any sign that Amish life is somehow better.

Would I want to throw away modern conveniences and still have many of the same community 'flaws'?

If perfection and only perfection is your blinding guiding light, then yes, no life is better than any other. Whatevs, yo? Like, pick your drug, man, they're all the same. Who cares and junk? Just mellow out.

Embrace the Nihilism.

 

[H_H]

Amish suicide rate: 0%
Amish happy-pill use (psychotropic drugs: Amien, Prozac, Ritalin): 0%
Amish pornography addiction rate: 0%
Amish divorce rate: <1%
Amish men enslaved to child support payments to whores: 0%
Amish imprisonment rate: 0%
Amish SJW rate: 0%
Cross-dressing Amish boys: 0%
Amish depression rate: <2% (temporary, post-partum)

Yes, there are some modes of living that are more effective than others. Yes, community matters.

No? You disagree? OK, just keep popping those pills, America! That'll solve your problems.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Amish suicide rate: 0%
Amish happy-pill use (psychotropic drugs: Amien, Prozac, Ritalin): 0%
Amish pornography addiction rate: 0%
Amish divorce rate: <1%
Amish men enslaved to child support payments to whores: 0%
Amish imprisonment rate: 0%
Amish SJW rate: 0%
Cross-dressing Amish boys: 0%
Amish depression rate: <2% (temporary, post-partum)

Yes, there are some modes of living that are more effective than others. Yes, community matters.

No? You disagree? OK, just keep popping those pills, America! That'll solve your problems.

The Amish suicide rate is actually about half that of the general population (not zero). Yet the Amish suffer from other problems, including increased polydactyly (extra fingers), dwarfism, other genetic issues, etc.

The problems we face as Americans won't be solved by becoming Amish (or Mennonites, or Hutterites), but we definitely do need to return to that sense of community that I remember from the 1970s, and that got stripped away in the 1980s.

 

[TheTexan]

Amish suicide rate: 0%
Amish happy-pill use (psychotropic drugs: Amien, Prozac, Ritalin): 0%
Amish pornography addiction rate: 0%
Amish divorce rate: <1%
Amish men enslaved to child support payments to whores: 0%
Amish imprisonment rate: 0%
Amish SJW rate: 0%
Cross-dressing Amish boys: 0%
Amish depression rate: <2% (temporary, post-partum)

Yes, there are some modes of living that are more effective than others. Yes, community matters.

No? You disagree? OK, just keep popping those pills, America! That'll solve your problems.

Number of bud lites in their refrigerator: 0
Number of refrigerators: 0

 

[H_H]

The Amish suicide rate is actually about half that of the general population (not zero).

Actually, your number is just as made up as mine. Lancaster County =/= All Amish. Nobody knows the real number.

Anyway,...

but we definitely do need to return to that sense of community

you are actually totally right. This was my only point, too. I wasn't saying that we should all literally convert to Amism, any more than that we should literally become Hobbits. They're just mental pictures to open a up vista and make us realize: yes, there could be a better way.

 

[VIDEODROME]

At least I can mellow out with my central air conditioning.


Edit: you seemed frustrated by Modernity while referencing the Amish life. Maybe I misunderstood what changes you meant.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Hmm...


What if there could be a Virtual Reality Amish Simulator for people who want to socialize that way?