What Really Happened?

Fandango

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This is my first thread/post. I am 59yo and grew up in America till the age of 23 when I emigrated to Australia (1983). I returned to America after a 35 year absence to look after my brother with Leukemia. I stayed for 3 months until my visa expired. Mostly traveled the southwest all the way to the west coast.

You know what it's like when you haven't seen someone in a long time? How different things appear...

The country I grew up in still has the same wonderful people, friendly, smiling and hard-working. But, I was shocked by the decaying infrastructure and the numbers of poor. Really shocked!

I would be interested in comments from forum members of similar age. Perhaps the analogy of the frog in boiling water applies... Your thoughts please.
 
This is my first thread/post. I am 59yo and grew up in America till the age of 23 when I emigrated to Australia (1983). I returned to America after a 35 year absence to look after my brother with Leukemia. I stayed for 3 months until my visa expired. Mostly traveled the southwest all the way to the west coast.

You know what it's like when you haven't seen someone in a long time? How different things appear...

The country I grew up in still has the same wonderful people, friendly, smiling and hard-working. But, I was shocked by the decaying infrastructure and the numbers of poor. Really shocked!

I would be interested in comments from forum members of similar age. Perhaps the analogy of the frog in boiling water applies... Your thoughts please.

infrastructure here seems ok. But my taxes are through the roof. I like Australia, but the mattresses tied to the women's back there are cumbersome.
 
This is my first thread/post. I am 59yo and grew up in America till the age of 23 when I emigrated to Australia (1983). I returned to America after a 35 year absence to look after my brother with Leukemia. I stayed for 3 months until my visa expired. Mostly traveled the southwest all the way to the west coast.

You know what it's like when you haven't seen someone in a long time? How different things appear...

The country I grew up in still has the same wonderful people, friendly, smiling and hard-working. But, I was shocked by the decaying infrastructure and the numbers of poor. Really shocked!

I would be interested in comments from forum members of similar age. Perhaps the analogy of the frog in boiling water applies... Your thoughts please.

Things change *shrug*


1970 view of Atlanta (the year I was born)

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now...

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Welcome to the forum, btw.

Do you work for the movie website, like to dance, or are you a fan of the ZZ Top album?
 
Just a continuation of the slow but sure destruction of Western Civilization that has been ongoing for centuries.

1. Defeat them
2. Register them
3. Tax them
4. Give them Moar Porn
5. lather, rinse, repeat

Certainly does seem to have accelerated here in the Bosom of Democracy[SUP]©[/SUP] however, as of late.

Only Trump can save us.
 
The slow decline of an empire who's priorities have been misplaced.
 
This is my first thread/post. I am 59yo and grew up in America till the age of 23 when I emigrated to Australia (1983). I returned to America after a 35 year absence to look after my brother with Leukemia. I stayed for 3 months until my visa expired. Mostly traveled the southwest all the way to the west coast.

You know what it's like when you haven't seen someone in a long time? How different things appear...

The country I grew up in still has the same wonderful people, friendly, smiling and hard-working. But, I was shocked by the decaying infrastructure and the numbers of poor. Really shocked!

I would be interested in comments from forum members of similar age. Perhaps the analogy of the frog in boiling water applies... Your thoughts please.

This will be a little controversial here, but I think it started with Reaganomics, and the idea that "greed is good": that unrestricted profiteering would lead to a "trickle-down" effect, where the poor would benefit. But that didn't happen. The rich got richer, but the poor didn't benefit. During the Reagan years, the national debt tripled, and we became a debtor nation.

The "greed is good" mantra convinced many otherwise good Christian people (and later their children) that it was okay to forget the teachings of the Bible and become greedy, robbing their neighbors and cheating friends. It just became "good business". We saw the effects of this greed a generation later in the 2006 economic crisis, where millions lost their homes, but the richest just became richer, in part due to a huge loss of ethics in the finance world.

After Reaganomics, the policies of Bush and Clinton didn't rectify the track America was on. I think Perot could have turned things around, with his campaign to reduce the national debt, and his campaign against NAFTA, but once NAFTA was signed and millions of American jobs went overseas, we were screwed.

Bush Jr's endless "War on Terror", and Obama's continuation of that unwinnable war (after campaigning against it), further emptied America's coffers. Improvements to infrastructure that could have been made here in the US were instead spent overseas. I personally witnessed the closure of post offices, schools, and other local government, which helped keep local money local, in favor of more centralized systems, which led to the closure of local businesses as people drifted to larger, more prosperous areas, as Rural Flight eroded communities, especially in the Midwest, but elsewhere as well.

Trump is clueless, and will continue many of the same destructive policies: plenty of spending on the Military Industrial Complex, a continuation of the growth of the National Debt. This man, with his golden skyscrapers, is the very definition of Reagan's "greed is good" mantra. He's the very emblem of what has gone wrong in America financially.
 
Things change *shrug*


1970 view of Atlanta (the year I was born)

a617d98d533c9ddac4f44d6bb3e4ca43--atlanta-city-atlanta-georgia.jpg


now...

Atlanta.jpg
100 million extra people gotta be crammed in somewhere.

But... why did we need 100 million extra people again?
 
This will be a little controversial here, but I think it started with Reaganomics, and the idea that "greed is good": that unrestricted profiteering would lead to a "trickle-down" effect...

The "greed is good" mantra convinced many otherwise good Christian people (and later their children) that it was okay to forget the teachings of the Bible and become greedy, robbing their neighbors and cheating friends. It just became "good business".

Fine thoughts, but shouldn't we go a little deeper? Some forgotten slogansmith did not turn the country on a dime. No, modernity itself conspires against all humanity, bent on devouring anything that looks like a soul or a genuine community. Moderity's most salient feature is utter, mortal opposition to any overriding themes or meaningfulness.

Modernity is bent on destroying organic connections and meaning. Is it a surprise that men today struggle and largely fail to live satisfying, happy, meaningful lives?

We crave organic communities.



Think of the Amish. To live a life in one community, a true community, deeply knowing everyone there, from childhood, and only coming to know them more and more as you mature and go through life. Knowing everyone's story. Everyone knows yours. If you live with honor and integrity, you are respected. Your kids can actually walk free and have fun.

This is their life.

This was everyone's life 200 years ago. And 2000 years ago. It was a good life.



A life worth fighting to restore, to make real.

Because nothing else is real, that's for sure. So if we don't have that, we've got zip.
 
This will be a little controversial here, but I think it started with Reaganomics, and the idea that "greed is good": that unrestricted profiteering would lead to a "trickle-down" effect...

The "greed is good" mantra convinced many otherwise good Christian people (and later their children) that it was okay to forget the teachings of the Bible and become greedy, robbing their neighbors and cheating friends. It just became "good business".

Fine thoughts, but shouldn't we go a little deeper? Some forgotten slogansmith did not turn the country on a dime. No, modernity itself conspires against all humanity, bent on devouring anything that looks like a soul or a genuine community. Moderity's overriding theme is utter, mortal opposition to any overriding themes or meaningfulness.

Modernity is bent on destroying organic connections and meaning. Is it a surprise that men today struggle and largely fail to live satisfying, happy, meaningful lives?

We crave organic communities.



Think of the Amish. To live a life in one community, a true community, deeply knowing everyone there, from childhood, and only coming to know them more and more as you mature and go through life. Knowing everyone's story. Everyone knows yours. If you live with honor and integrity, you are respected. Your kids can actually walk free and have fun.

This is their life.

This was everyone's life 200 years ago. And 2000 years ago. It was a good life.



A life worth fighting to restore, to make real.

Because nothing else is real, that's for sure. So if we don't have that, we've got zip.
 
Just a continuation of the slow but sure destruction of Western Civilization that has been ongoing for centuries.

1. Defeat them
2. Register them
3. Tax them
4. Give them Moar Porn
5. lather, rinse, repeat

Certainly does seem to have accelerated here in the Bosom of Democracy[SUP]©[/SUP] however, as of late.

Only Trump can save us.

Indeed. Luckily, thanks to Trump, soon we will be saying Merry Christmas again, divorce will become non-existent, single mothers a memory from the past, illegal immigration will totally end, IQ and bowling averages will be way up, murder and mini-golf scores way down, and America will be Great Again.
 
This is my first thread/post. I am 59yo and grew up in America till the age of 23 when I emigrated to Australia (1983). I returned to America after a 35 year absence to look after my brother with Leukemia. I stayed for 3 months until my visa expired. Mostly traveled the southwest all the way to the west coast.

You know what it's like when you haven't seen someone in a long time? How different things appear...

The country I grew up in still has the same wonderful people, friendly, smiling and hard-working. But, I was shocked by the decaying infrastructure and the numbers of poor. Really shocked!

I would be interested in comments from forum members of similar age. Perhaps the analogy of the frog in boiling water applies... Your thoughts please.

Really? The number of poor people has grown? Hmmm, I'm also 59 and I'm not seeing it. I've seen a explosion of people unwilling to work to support themselves however.
 
Whadda ya want to do, abort them? :confused:



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Population of America in 1970: 200 million
Birthrate in America the entire time from then until now: just under 2
What is Replacement rate (for a flat, constant population): 2.1
What the Real American Population should, then, be: <200 million

Where did the extra 100 million come from?
 
I think it depends a lot on where you are here. It's very patchwork with some places doing very well and other places doing horribly. Also even within a city, you can abruptly go from being in a good part of town to a poor area with crumbling buildings or signs of a struggling neighborhood where more customer facing businesses have bars over windows or bulletproof shields over the counter.

I have't been to the South West in a long time so I'm not sure what issues they're having.
 
We pay taxes to maintain infrastructure. Lots and lots of taxes.... Hmmmm.

What we pay for even more is infrastructure and process/software updates. Our institutions has been taken hostage by the software companies which was on full display during Mark Cuckerberg (hi Mark) testimony.
 
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