What makes so many Republican voters pro-war?

[Bonnieblue]

Confused.

 

[Jingles]

My view at this point is a combination of stupidity, ignorance, and fear that may or may not be influenced by heavy Fox News propaganda. Like honestly, I used to be in the Neo-con camp years ago, but at this point I feel like people must have some difficultly understanding basic information/are just following propaganda/or are simply stupid.

 

[cindy25]

Israel
they want the rapture
they think a war will help the economy
they fear Moslems
they think a war/draft will instill discipline in the youth
they work for or own stock in a defense contractor

 

[nobody's_hero]

Fear, fear, fear.... 24x7 by the MSM.

Yep.

 

[cheapseats]

My view at this point is a combination of stupidity, ignorance, and fear that may or may not be influenced by heavy Fox News propaganda. Like honestly, I used to be in the Neo-con camp years ago, but at this point I feel like people must have some difficultly understanding basic information/are just following propaganda/or are simply stupid.

Like I said . . . AT THIS POINT.

At THIS point, I encounter NO ONE who fears or even BELIEVES that Iran is our biggest or even a chief threat. (Mind, I don't roll in Evangelical circles. The stuff "twirling around in their heads" is NONSENSE TO ME, so I don't bother with them. There is NOTHING I say that changes their minds, and there is NOTHING they say that changes mine. Mind, I also meet plenty of people who with or without cause DISLIKE & DISTRUST sundry MIddle Easterners, but they do NOT express or exhibit FEAR of them.)

Again and again and again and again, I hear people say of Government Connivers: THEY'RE ALL A BUNCHA CROOKS. If I had $1000 for every time I've heard that, I would be a millionaire.

People are TRAPPED, just like you/I/we are. The "Broken System" is the bus in the film "Speed". It is OUT. OF. CONTROL.

Several in this thread are positing that FEAR OF BAD GUYS is the passion that fuels war. I am saying that fear of our OWN "Authorities" -- our OWN Bad Guys, with their demonstratively severe retaliation -- is what has a critical mass of Americans GOING ALONG WITH #War4Profit and other atrocities.

I am saying that fanning the ANTI WAR flames and TAKING THE LEAD on #PeacetimeProsperity is the play for long-shot non-interventionist Ron Paul to make.

I am saying that championing ANTI WAR is morally righteous, fiscally sound and, like Liberty, POPULAR.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

look how hollywood has and still does glorify war...when I went through basic the grunts were often called "hey John Wayne" or "hey Rambo" We invite violence into our living rooms then bitch when it shows up at the doorstep

 

[Tod]

I haven't read all the thread, so someone may well have already said this, but I'm gonna say the thinking goes something like this:

"victory" on the battlefield = military strength = national strength = pride in something of which you are a part = pride in self = good feelings for someone who may otherwise not feel particularly good about their overall situation.

 

[cheapseats]

look how hollywood has and still does glorify war...when I went through basic the grunts were often called "hey John Wayne" or "hey Rambo" We invite violence into our living rooms then bitch when it shows up at the doorstep

Hollywood DOES glorify war, and crime of all sorts. And how 'bout #MainstreamMedia -- sensationalizing crime when it happens, then again with their BEHIND BARS programs littered with UNPAID ACTORS? #RealityTV, at its most economical.

Parenthetically, because Hollywood is in a box office slump that mirrors the economy, this is the PERFECT time to put the film industry on the ropes by (LOGICALLY) demanding that commercials be yanked from the big-screen.

America is PREDICATED on violence. America has NEVER achieved sustained #PeacetimeProsperity.

It is PAST time to put our feet down and hold a fuckin' line. But look no further than Occupy Protesters captured by orange fencing and pepper-sprayed and wailed upon with batons to know that the FEAR that keeps the American herd warring for profit (or whatever ELSE Machiavellian minds concoct) is an up-close and personal fear that has NUTHIN' to do with Iranians or nukes.

 

[azxd]

Years of FEAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA from the establishment, and citizens who have never experienced war, lead to a mindset that equates the life of others as expendable.

Couple that with isolation from reality, and war becomes (short-term) favorable.

 

[cheapseats]

Years of FEAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA from the establishment, and citizens who have never experienced war, lead to a mindset that equates the life of others as expendable.

PRECISELY why those millions and millions and millions of Voters in the middle SCOFF at Sanctity of Lifers.

Couple that with isolation from reality, and war becomes (short-term) favorable.

Short-term, it is also favorable to not have one's head cracked open by (tattooed) DC strong-arm cops, should we take it into our free and peaceable heads to overrun Washington to COMPEL governance in good faith.

 

[azxd]

Short-term, it is also favorable to not have one's head cracked open by (tattooed) DC strong-arm cops, should we take it into our free and peaceable heads to overrun Washington to COMPEL governance in good faith.

Not sure what you're getting at, but it took brute force to remove this nation from the King's corruption.

 

[cindy25]

Hollywood glorifies war because it sells; at times anti-war movies also sell , from All Quiet on the Western Front to Born on the 4th of July.

 

[cajuncocoa]

look how hollywood has and still does glorify war...

don't forget about an entire generation raised on Xbox and play station ...to them, it's all just another video game.

 

[EBounding]

As a former "pro-war Republican", it's because they think the wars keep us safe (better to fight them over there than here) and that we're facing insane suicidal people who's only motivation is their extreme religious ideology.

What changed for me was that I saw the debt problem to be the greatest danger, which is why I decided to support Paul even though I didn't agree with his foreign policy at first. But after I actually listened to him, I realized our current warmongering policy just makes us less safe. This made me glad, because I was tired of trying to defend the wars since the only argument I had was "it's better to fight them there than here".

So how do we break through to others? It's not easy. The only way I can see is to frame the debt and weak economy as a danger greater than terrorism.

Other than that, people will eventually see the wars for what they are over time. It will probably be too late though at that point.

 

[cheapseats]

Not sure what you're getting at, but it took brute force to remove this nation from the King's corruption.

Aye.

And the reigning British Monarchy? ALSO in place by brute force.

Rulers tracing back to successful brute force are 13 to the dozen.

Does anyone have any reason (forget hopes & wishes, I'm talking LOGIC) for thinking that THIS OCCASION of seizing back power will NOT require force? Are some still wrapped in the pollyanna shawl that sez we are TOO CIVILIZED for yesteryear rough-and-tumble?

They have the money, the offices, the big guns, the courts, the prisons, the banks, the energy, the media, the telecommunications. WHAT, they are going to look at one another one of these days and say Y'KNOW, THIS REALLY ISN'T FAIR. WE SHOULD REALLY KNOCK IT OFF?

 

[cheapseats]

It is important to realize FORCE is a concept, not a particular weapon or battle.

Duct tape over a mouth FORCES silence, without busting chops.

Millions of people in the street FORCE traffic and commerce to alter course.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

rockets red glare and bombs bursting in air...land of the free home of the brave? yeah right

 

[cheapseats]

All powerful people either die or are deposed.

People without power ALSO die.

They convey their fear to the public while trying to gain as much control as they can before their agenda is discovered.
Some make it, the greater majority of them don't, until now.

The do NOT convey THEIR fear. They CREATED & INSTILLED fear, because fearful people are more manipulable.

But does that really still ring true, or is that just what everyone spews now, like indoctrination, because it sounds better than SORRY, WAR IS WHAT FLOATS OUR BOAT?

War DOES float our boat. Y'all like Truth Bombs, yes? Americans must be willing to endure further flatlining, while we RETOOL from wartime to peacetime economy. No! Not that! Prosperity LATER, instead of jobs NOW?? Immediate Gratification is all the rage.

Some make it, the greater majority don't, until now?

Really? I see history repeating itself with copycat exactitude, INCLUDING long lavish reigns for a host of Bad Guys...in the East, in the Middle East, AND IN THE WEST.

 

[Tinnuhana]

So, a list of effective ways to combat (uh oh, a war term) the pro-war stance?
If those, particularly evangelical, persons can see that they are being co-opted by powerful groups to support wars...groups which in no way adhere to their belief systems, they may "wake up" and resent it...could create some blowback.
With two of the four GOP candidates being Catholic, I think Ron Paul's use of the tradition of the "just war theory" is a pretty good idea along this line. What is Rick Santorum's thoughts on this? Has he even thought about it?

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

Stupidity. Hate to say it. But yeah, most of my family and the people I work with are Republican or votes Republican and they are scared to death of the terrorists...lol. They think it's better to kill them before they kill us. Basically they buy whatever propaganda is sold on the MSM news.