What Kind Of Campaign Is This?

[BKom]

Why are we the only presidential campaign in history that continually forces its backers to read tea leaves. Either Ron is in or he is out. Either the country is headed for problems and he's the man to fix them, or he's not.

We have been watching Ron's mealy mouthed statements on whether he's in this race to win since the very beginning. No other supporters have been forced to "read between the lines" or "fill in the blanks" or interpret what their darn candidate says every time he opens his mouth.

And any other campaign that had Jesse Benton as its spokesman would have fired him months ago. Actually, four years ago. But that isn't what Ron does. He surrounds himself with people who don't appear to want him to be president. And that says a whole lot about Ron.

I have supported Ron for president three times now, beginning in 1988. I will not support Rand. So, I have little to look forward to politically. This is disturbing.

 

[No1butPaul]

I hope this hasn't been about Rand because he does not have my support. I hear he's kissing some rings and taking a trip to Israel soon.

 

[BKom]

Israel is a great place. But yes, this apparently had been about Rand. Think about that when Ron throws the OK delegation under the bus. Those people put up with a whole lot to try and get Ron delegates by the rules. And Ron has already thrown them under the bus.

I have to tell you that I'm really sick of this. Many of us have gone to great lengths to support Ron. I swore after last time that I wasn't going to bother this time, then I allowed myself to get sucked back in. Very disappointing.

 

[No1butPaul]

Israel is a great place. But yes, this apparently had been about Rand. Think about that when Ron throws the OK delegation under the bus. Those people put up with a whole lot to try and get Ron delegates by the rules. And Ron has already thrown them under the bus.

I have to tell you that I'm really sick of this. Many of us have gone to great lengths to support Ron. I swore after last time that I wasn't going to bother this time, then I allowed myself to get sucked back in. Very disappointing.

Just to be clear, crystal clear, this is not about Israel. Israel is just another ring-kissing ... being a team player, yada yada. Rand does not share his fathers ethics and principles.

 

[WesSeid]

Rand does not share his fathers ethics and principles.

Maybe we won't have to read tea leaves then, and maybe Rand will actually criticize Romney then.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Just to be clear, crystal clear, this is not about Israel. Israel is just another ring-kissing ... being a team player, yada yada. Rand does not share his fathers ethics and principles.

Just to be clear, crystal clear, you don't know at this point. So how about stop making accusations until you do?

 

[lib3rtarian]

Why are we the only presidential campaign in history that continually forces its backers to read tea leaves. Either Ron is in or he is out. Either the country is headed for problems and he's the man to fix them, or he's not.

We have been watching Ron's mealy mouthed statements on whether he's in this race to win since the very beginning. No other supporters have been forced to "read between the lines" or "fill in the blanks" or interpret what their darn candidate says every time he opens his mouth.

And any other campaign that had Jesse Benton as its spokesman would have fired him months ago. Actually, four years ago. But that isn't what Ron does. He surrounds himself with people who don't appear to want him to be president. And that says a whole lot about Ron.

I have supported Ron for president three times now, beginning in 1988. I will not support a pandering bigot like Rand. So, I have little to look forward to politically. This is disturbing.

This is the kind of campaign where a bunch of people with ulterior political ambitions (Benton, Wead etc) tries to exploit the grassroots' passion and love for an ideological pure, honest guy (Ron), to further their own agendas.

I do not believe that Ron purposefully threw the OK supporters under the bus. Ron is on the move and gets his information from Benton, Tate and Wead. I fully suspect they are feeding him wrong info about the grassroots.

 

[MrDauven]

Some of you have to stop whining and work harder.
The liberty movement has always been about fighting back the system, and will always be like that.

Only because the campaign seems to want to end it does not mean there have to be one billion posts about people crying that the personification of our movement is 'giving up'.
Keep fighting, keep working, even if it is a lost battle. Just stop whining and wasting your time on crying on the internet and get out there and spread the message.

 

[No1butPaul]

Just to be clear, crystal clear, you don't know at this point. So how about stop making accusations until you do?

Excuse me?


"Business Insider has learned that Sen. Paul has even been approached about a possible trip to Israel with Christian activist David Lane, a conservative kingmaker whose "Pastor Policy Briefings" helped launch Mike Huckabee's political star in 2008."

http://articles.businessinsider.com...and-paul-ron-paul-revolution-kentucky-senator

You wanna try again?

ADD:
"Rand Paul is going to inherit his dad's political assets — he's going to be very formidable," Lane told Business Insider. "Structurally, there is something that is happening inside the state Republican parties that will have to be dealt with politically.""

Not inheriting any of my assets!

 

[RabbitMan]

So what if Ron/Rand/whomever is all we wanted? The guy is like 76-yearsold! Let's take the Republican Party back, and Let's become the leaders that inspire!

 

[Indy Vidual]

Maybe we won't have to read tea leaves then, and maybe Rand will actually criticize Romney then.

Just to be clear, crystal clear, you don't know at this point. So how about stop making accusations until you do?

+rep for both

 

[Titus]

Look, it has always been a long battle. I doubt anyone here expects the Democrats and Republicans to roll-over because we said so. No. We have a long battle. It takes time. We are fighting for our rights (even though we don't always agree what rights should be protected). Any rights movement has taken time. Yeah, it's a hard long shot battle to get Ron into office in 2012. We still have the grassroots starting to build. Without Ron Paul, I never would have considered running for office. Now I'm considering it in a few years, when my law school debt is in order.

The movement is not Ron Paul. It is us. It is each and every one of us. We have made a huge step and put a chink in the armor. We need to harness that.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Excuse me?


"Business Insider has learned that Sen. Paul has even been approached about a possible trip to Israel with Christian activist David Lane, a conservative kingmaker whose "Pastor Policy Briefings" helped launch Mike Huckabee's political star in 2008."

http://articles.businessinsider.com...and-paul-ron-paul-revolution-kentucky-senator

You wanna try again?

ADD:
"Rand Paul is going to inherit his dad's political assets — he's going to be very formidable," Lane told Business Insider. "Structurally, there is something that is happening inside the state Republican parties that will have to be dealt with politically.""

Not inheriting any of my assets!

Rand is smart enough to play their Israel game and get his evangelical traction going for when he needs it. Fact is, he's never caved on NDAA or other civil liberty issues nor has he spoken in favor of giving Israel the proverbial blank check. I swear some people read everything at face value. Ron has more integrity and honor than to stiff us with Rand if he knew him to be a sellout of sorts. Get real!

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

So what if Ron/Rand/whomever is all we wanted? The guy is like 76-yearsold! Let's take the Republican Party back, and Let's become the leaders that inspire!

+1776

We've come a long way! Let's continue to reform the Republican party!

 

[sailingaway]

Israel is a great place. But yes, this apparently had been about Rand. Think about that when Ron throws the OK delegation under the bus. Those people put up with a whole lot to try and get Ron delegates by the rules. And Ron has already thrown them under the bus.

I have to tell you that I'm really sick of this. Many of us have gone to great lengths to support Ron. I swore after last time that I wasn't going to bother this time, then I allowed myself to get sucked back in. Very disappointing.

I don't think Ron knows what happened in OK. Whenever we have been unfairly attacked Ron has had our back in the media. I think people who want to move on are using the 'disturbances' and the effect that (not knowing the facts) has on Ron feeling responsible, to shift into cruising gear, to conserve for the next campaign. I don't think it is Ron's idea. I think he is wary enough of any signs of pride in himself to the point where he bends over backwards to not make this about him.

In fact, the LACK of defense of us in OK is what makes me think Ron doesn't know.

I think it is Ron being thrown under the bus, honestly. It is late in the campaign, the odds are long, and Ron's overwhelming sense of duty to everyone else leaves him open to that.

 

[No1butPaul]

Rand is smart enough to play their Israel game and get his evangelical traction going for when he needs it. Fact is, he's never caved on NDAA or other civil liberty issues nor has he spoken in favor of giving Israel the proverbial blank check. I swear some people read everything at face value. Ron has more integrity and honor than to stiff us with Rand if he knew him to be a sellout of sorts. Get real!

It is a mistake for anyone to think they can deliver our votes (as a group) to anyone - Romney, Rand or otherwise. I've been told I am an individual.

 

[kuckfeynes]

So don't support Rand then. If you're right (which is extremely premature to say) can't say we didn't see it coming. What kind of father would not think of the implications of his actions on his son's future? Ron didn't choose the revolution, the revolution chose him. He owes us nothing. That doesn't mean you have to go back to apathy. Find a candidate more pure than Rand and support him/her...

 

[Rocco]

It's really insane, these people are beyond ridiculous. The problem is, despite all their criticism of the media, they believe what ever the media tells them. That Rand is like Ron but "not crazy", and they then hear him attacking Obama and big spending and they think he's a mainstream republican, and it's comical. If you actually look at his voting record he is the single most consistent voice for liberty in congress right now (in terms of level of impact and consistency)

Rand is smart enough to play their Israel game and get his evangelical traction going for when he needs it. Fact is, he's never caved on NDAA or other civil liberty issues nor has he spoken in favor of giving Israel the proverbial blank check. I swear some people read everything at face value. Ron has more integrity and honor than to stiff us with Rand if he knew him to be a sellout of sorts. Get real!

 

[V3n]

Reading 'tea leaves'? Ron Paul is the most honest politician to exist in this country for centuries!

Even now he's in the middle of a firestorm, from his own supporters, for his honesty in telling us about the campaign delegate strategy (not advertising in Primary states) and his honesty in discussing the delegate count.

Any visions of 'tea leaves' we see out of this is from our own conspiratorially leaning bend. He's laid everything on the line, all out for everyone to see, he always has.

 

[69360]

It's a low budget campaign with extremely individualistic supporters. It is what it is.