What is your exit strategy?

[Paul Fan]

I made my exit five years ago: moved to New Zealand.

I considered Costa Rica, but decided against it when I learned about some of their unpleasant property laws (such as, if someone squats on your property, they effectively become a part-owner). Plus, although many speak English there, it's not the native language, so as an American you would always be in a second-class position.

If my immigration paperwork had not gone through, my plan was to move to a relatively low tax area (no sales and/or state income tax), ideally nowhere it snows (in case heating oil/gas gets too expensive), near but not in a city with a decent-sized hospital, and near an ocean port (in case trucking drives costs up too high), and out of the path of hurricanes (so not on the gulf coast, FL, NC, etc). No snow ruled out New Hampshire.

The Oregon coast looked pretty good. If you give up the coastal requirement, part of Texas and Nevada might be OK.

I wouldn't do defense work overseas if you can avoid it, though. The money might be good, but you're really selling your soul. Better to dig in and make it work where you are if you can't afford to move. You might be poorer, but I bet you'll also be happier.

How do the folks in NZ react to "foreigners"? In the UK they seem to be quite insular and I've been told that most of them never accept you, despite the common language.

 

[Republicanguy]

In the UK it differs differently, If you live in London, England where I live. This city is very multicultural to the point you could wonder, "What does it mean to be English"?

Wales and Scotland are different "states" as loosely as I would call them I have never visited there other than Swansea when I was fifteen to hitch a ride to Southern Ireland. Never been to Scotland.

Northern Ireland, don't bother there. That is predominately Irish with four hundred years ago colonialists from Scotland and England taken over the province, old age kingdom it once was. And being arrogant and not integrating, oppressing the Irish community and having fired up the Irish republican Army to commit awful murders to so many.

Peace exists there but only just.

 

[Elwar]

I wouldn't do defense work overseas if you can avoid it, though. The money might be good, but you're really selling your soul.

I agree about the selling your soul part. I spent a year in Iraq and it did more harm to me mentally than I could have imagined. 6 month stints will be very difficult but I only plan on doing a few trips with time in between to recharge. I was definitely a changed person spending a year over there, and I did not even see any "action". But there is no choice at this point.

 

[Pericles]

There was time and energy invested which caused thought processes to occur. Extrapolate that to the internet where little time and energy are involved in sending a message.

Rev9

QFT

 

[NoOneButPaul]

I've given it some thought but repeatedly come to the conclusion that it's best to go down with this ship, and no matter how futile the efforts might be, keep trying to plug the giant holes filling us with water.

I'm not going to run or quit or accept the end is near, i'll fight until the end and even once that moment comes i'll go out guns blazing.

It's clear that this election is over for us, but this revolution will never die and this fight should not stop here.

 

[Enforcer]

There was time and energy invested which caused thought processes to occur. Extrapolate that to the internet where little time and energy are involved in sending a message.

Rev9

I'm not sure I follow you, but if you are talking about the fact that you put in all this time and effort for nothing, Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale a tale of a fateful trip,That started with a patriot amongst this silly sh!+.

In the late 1970s, as a very young teen, I began getting involved in the fight for Liberty before I was old enough to get a driver's license. I worked hard fighting National ID and the requirement that the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" be used as ID. We fought the income tax, even realizing a win at the U.S. Supreme Court level in the Cheek case. Many groups with yours truly in the thick of it were fighting the NEW WORLD ORDER plan to dismantle the Constitution and repeal the Bill of Rights. In all it amounted to a QUARTER OF A CENTURY OF HARD WORK.

In 1998 I went to a town hall meeting sponsored by U.S. Rep. John Linder. There I told him that, according to declassified FBI documents, there would be a major terrorist attempt in the United States within the next five years. Virtually every branch of government was ignoring this threat on purpose. John Linder asked me why I thought there were a potential threat and if so, WHY would the government be ignoring it. I told him it was to allow the threat to be attempted so as to scare the people into accepting National ID and a police state wherein the police and military were one and the same. Linder said I read too many Internet rumors. Actually I had never been on the Internet before 1998, but was working solely on declassified FBI files.

Then 9 / 11 happened well within that five year window. The 346 page so - called "Patriot Act" was signed into law only forty two days after 9 / 11 AND it withstood all court challenges. The so - called "Patriot Act" effectively repealed the Bill of Rights and the same guy that introduced that bill, then drafted and introduced the National ID / REAL ID Act. These bills help spawn a series of legislation and court decisions predicated upon the hatred of immigrants, erroneously referred to as "illegals" (without even the common courtesy of extend Due Process to them before convicting them of anything); that erased all the wins we gained over a TWENTY FIVE YEAR PERIOD in defense of the Constitution.

The moral is: many of you have worked in the Ron Paul campaign a couple of years. I saw a quarter of a century worth of work destroyed by globalists preying upon the ignorance and hatred of the masses over immigration. Today, even among our own ranks, you cannot sell the Constitution, Due Process or even Liberty if it means acknowledging that all men have a Right to Liberty. I have a more compelling reason to be frustrated. I haven't quit and I told you my tale of woe so that you would realize: Liberty is not a destination, at best it is a journey. But, we owe it to ourselves, our children and generations yet to be born to do what we can to preserve it, even when the odds are against us.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Why did you decide Maine was out of the question?

Maine and NH border each other. Maine is one of the least free states. NH is the freest state. No one in New England thinks there is freedom in Maine. Why do you think so?

If you are thinking about the amount of support Ron Paul received in Maine, it was actually a very small amount of support. However, the Ron Paul supporters were far more dedicated than the supporters of the other candidates in Maine. That's awesome but it doesn't mean much when it comes to freedom in Maine. 2,400 liberty lovers clearly isn't enough to free Maine. Almost everyone in Maine doesn't care about the caucus. People in Maine know Maine doesn't matter when it comes to Presidential politics. After all, it is one of the least free states and many of the top liberty activists are making plans to move to NH and Ron Paul had substantially more support in NH.

If someone was to just think of where is the coolest place to live in NH/ME, Portsmouth, NH wins hands down. There is no place in Maine as cool are still connected to society as Portsmouth. Portsmouth is a paradise for liberals, businessmen, history buffs, college students and yuppies. Portsmouth has a libertarian radio show, frequent liberty meetups, a libertarian city councilor and is right next to a college with active liberty groups and another cool city with frequent libertarian meetups and I think also a libertarian city councilor. That city borders a city with 4 liberty state reps and also frequent liberty meetups.

Why Portsmouth New Hampshire?
Portsmouth, NH is a destination for the best of what life offers.
http://51islington.com/why-portsmouth-nh.php

 

[osan]

I am not running from anything. Too old, been through too much shit, and too vested in what is right and proper.

We are well enough armed, grow much of our own food, hold livestock, have a free energy source, have free water sources, and a comfortable house. If things go so very badly, few if any will be prepared for it, save the super-wealthy - and even they will not really be prepared for the worst of it, should that come to pass.

I have to laugh at all this talk of so many people of "prepping" for what they appear to accept as inevitable. Catastrophic natural events and other such circumstances may be, but human slavery is not. If people put as much effort into righting their minds, their knowledge, their attitudes, and took action pursuant to the goal of eliminating the wrongful stain that bondage has plastered across the face of human existence these many millennia, there would be no need to "prep". But I guess people are what they are.

 

[speciallyblend]

I am not running from anything. Too old, been through too much shit, and too vested in what is right and proper.

We are well enough armed, grow much of our own food, hold livestock, have a free energy source, have free water sources, and a comfortable house. If things go so very badly, few if any will be prepared for it, save the super-wealthy - and even they will not really be prepared for the worst of it, should that come to pass.

I have to laugh at all this talk of so many people of "prepping" for what they appear to accept as inevitable. Catastrophic natural events and other such circumstances may be, but human slavery is not. If people put as much effort into righting their minds, their knowledge, their attitudes, and took action pursuant to the goal of eliminating the wrongful stain that bondage has plastered across the face of human existence these many millennia, there would be no need to "prep". But I guess people are what they are.

being homeless is the real story for most working americans. No need to wait for anything bad to happen it has already been happening for years and will continue. the american dream is dead. My new american dream work everyday of my life ,pay the bills and hope i am not homeless and never retire. The New American Dream( hope your not homeless and have a job and can put gas in car to get to work). ahh dreams.

 

[Son of Detroit]

Exit? I haven't even started yet. I'm too young, too smart, and have too much to look forward to.

After I finish undergrad I plan on going to law school and fighting through the system in the courts. Maybe I'll run for office one day too. That's still 7+ years away, but I'm not convinced that everything will go downhill so fast. People have been saying the collapse is coming for years now, and it hasn't happened.

I'm optimistic about the future. It's nothing to run away from.

 

[Enforcer]

Exit? I haven't even started yet. I'm too young, too smart, and have too much to look forward to.

After I finish undergrad I plan on going to law school and fighting through the system in the courts. Maybe I'll run for office one day too. That's still 7+ years away, but I'm not convinced that everything will go downhill so fast. People have been saying the collapse is coming for years now, and it hasn't happened.

I'm optimistic about the future. It's nothing to run away from.

I realize you're young, but I just did a post on another board. I'd like to give you an excerpt:

"Years ago Newswatch Magazine published a list of goals by the New World Order. That was in the 1980s. They have not added their archives online; however, once they do I will try to remember and update this thread.

Anyway, I used to think about some of the items on that list:

* A one world currency / paperless financial transactions

* National Gun Registration / Weapons Confiscation

* National ID

* Womb to the tomb surveillance as described in the novel, 1984 by George Orwell

* Government control of the food supply

* Repeal of the Bill of Rights

* A One World Police / Military force

* The evisceration of Freedom of Religion

* Controls over what you think (Thought Police)

* The criminalization of Liberty

In the 1980s, those were the signs that we were under the control of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

http://www.freeforum101.com/outcastsandoutl/viewtopic.php?t=560&mforum=outcastsandoutl

Having made it to that point, for many of us over 40 or so, it's not difficult to say, the SHTF already and the end may be inevitable. Maybe you think all is well and good, but those of us with a little age on us realize that this is not the country our forefathers envisioned and it is not the one we grew up in. All of the above happened in a single generation.

 

[enjerth]

My exit strategy, shtf scenario:

move into the desert and learn how to produce good crops from it. I'm working on the learning part right now.

 

[Athan]

Do you mean after the dollar problems?
Well for one, I live in an IDEAL area. I'm not really worried about serious dollar problems due to my area. My main concern is the growing strength of the drug cartels. Hopefully the drug war will be completely abolished making my area a lot more safe.

 

[pacelli]

No exit strategy.

 

[AceNZ]

How do the folks in NZ react to "foreigners"? In the UK they seem to be quite insular and I've been told that most of them never accept you, despite the common language.

In the time I've been here, I have never once felt like I didn't belong or that I wasn't welcome or accepted.

Your personal experience would depends on where you live in NZ, and what kind of attitude you project. The North Island is more multicultural, with a wider range of foreigners. At the same time, they have higher crime and poverty rates and seem less tolerant than the more monocultural South Island.

Broadly speaking, New Zealanders appreciate and respect typical Western virtues, including things like honesty, integrity, independence, politeness and common courtesies. If you fit in with that type of culture, you will be accepted with open arms. If you don't, you're likely to get a cold shoulder or worse.

 

[BethanyGrace]

In the late 1970s, as a very young teen, I began getting involved in the fight for Liberty before I was old enough to get a driver's license. I worked hard fighting National ID and the requirement that the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" be used as ID. We fought the income tax, even realizing a win at the U.S. Supreme Court level in the Cheek case. Many groups with yours truly in the thick of it were fighting the NEW WORLD ORDER plan to dismantle the Constitution and repeal the Bill of Rights. In all it amounted to a QUARTER OF A CENTURY OF HARD WORK.

In 1998 I went to a town hall meeting sponsored by U.S. Rep. John Linder. There I told him that, according to declassified FBI documents, there would be a major terrorist attempt in the United States within the next five years. Virtually every branch of government was ignoring this threat on purpose. John Linder asked me why I thought there were a potential threat and if so, WHY would the government be ignoring it. I told him it was to allow the threat to be attempted so as to scare the people into accepting National ID and a police state wherein the police and military were one and the same. Linder said I read too many Internet rumors. Actually I had never been on the Internet before 1998, but was working solely on declassified FBI files.

Then 9 / 11 happened well within that five year window. The 346 page so - called "Patriot Act" was signed into law only forty two days after 9 / 11 AND it withstood all court challenges. The so - called "Patriot Act" effectively repealed the Bill of Rights and the same guy that introduced that bill, then drafted and introduced the National ID / REAL ID Act. These bills help spawn a series of legislation and court decisions predicated upon the hatred of immigrants, erroneously referred to as "illegals" (without even the common courtesy of extend Due Process to them before convicting them of anything); that erased all the wins we gained over a TWENTY FIVE YEAR PERIOD in defense of the Constitution.

The moral is: many of you have worked in the Ron Paul campaign a couple of years. I saw a quarter of a century worth of work destroyed by globalists preying upon the ignorance and hatred of the masses over immigration. Today, even among our own ranks, you cannot sell the Constitution, Due Process or even Liberty if it means acknowledging that all men have a Right to Liberty. I have a more compelling reason to be frustrated. I haven't quit and I told you my tale of woe so that you would realize: Liberty is not a destination, at best it is a journey. But, we owe it to ourselves, our children and generations yet to be born to do what we can to preserve it, even when the odds are against us.

Good and inspiring post (+rep)! It's very interesting that you fought against the SSN when you were a teenager; I wish you would have won, so I didn't have to resist it myself. (Just graduated high school, and actually I don't have a SSN, but life--as you can imagine--is difficult without one).

For those of you looking for an exit strategy, you just might want to check out www.internationalman.com . I've found a lot of like-minded people and good ideas there, and they are a group devoted to living a free life.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Good and inspiring post (+rep)! It's very interesting that you fought against the SSN when you were a teenager; I wish you would have won, so I didn't have to resist it myself. (Just graduated high school, and actually I don't have a SSN, but life--as you can imagine--is difficult without one).

legally, you can demand that a number other than a SS number for anything but work for the single purpose of taking SS money. It's not that hard to find under the table jobs or create your own. You can also be an independent contractor and thus responsible for paying the SS, but forget to do so.

-t

 

[Keith and stuff]

In the time I've been here, I have never once felt like I didn't belong or that I wasn't welcome or accepted.

Your personal experience would depends on where you live in NZ, and what kind of attitude you project. The North Island is more multicultural, with a wider range of foreigners. At the same time, they have higher crime and poverty rates and seem less tolerant than the more monocultural South Island.

Broadly speaking, New Zealanders appreciate and respect typical Western virtues, including things like honesty, integrity, independence, politeness and common courtesies. If you fit in with that type of culture, you will be accepted with open arms. If you don't, you're likely to get a cold shoulder or worse.

I know a pro-liberty family from New Zealand. Guess where they moved? About 30 miles from where I live. No surprise there.

 

[oyarde]

No way I am moving to New Zealand .

 

[Danke]

No way I am moving to New Zealand .

I'll inform the Embassy they can stand down now and enjoy the rest of the Memorial Day weekend.