What is war? We need to remind people.

[SeanEdwards]

Setting up a private organization like swiftboat vets and using that as the vehicle to associate graphic images of war with warmonger candidates is not a terrible idea.

Just as long as it's not connected to the Ron Paul campaign in any way and is purely used to attack the neocons.

 

[Ronpauladin]

I don't think people realize that war is brutal. I think they choose to believe everything is going great.

If you put enough images of death and destruction out there people will eventually lose their stomach for the war. A very few photos turned the tide of support against the war in Vietnam. It can happen again.

As for your statement about "It will backfire."

How?

If done as I indicated, private groups pushing against the war, while Ron Paul pushes images of soldiers being reunited with families... How will it backfire?

Please explain exactly how you see that working against us.

It is deceptive when a group of people that support a candidate do something separate from the candidate so that they can bring distance and allow their candidate to maintain a clean image. However, their efforts are intended to support the candidates position, which is where the deception comes in.

The world knows that war is brutal. This isn't the 60's. Our nation is desensitized to the point we expect the violence, but no one wants it in their face. It's also very disrespectful to show images of such violence. Respect the dead. Speak of the dead. Ask yourself, what would Ron Paul do? Would he be elusive and create some secret organization to do his bidding? No. No he wouldn't.

 

[Syren123]

Ron Paul supports this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk

OMG that one always makes me cry.
That and the Budweiser Clydesdales and the 9/11 tribute.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

This Campaign needs a serious Shocker and this is just one example at SERIOUSLY GRABBING THE PEOPLES ATTENTION.

Tie in the spending, the corruption, lobbyists, PACS, Corporations, INFLATION, etc etc...

Have Micheal Moore or Tony Scott produce some quality commercials, not the current OLD, LETHARGIC, YAWNERS

 

[noztnac]

We're losing

We need some serious shock and awe!

We've been playing far too nice while letting media outlets like Fox News completely mischaracterize the war.

Revolution is not about being nice and avoiding taking bold decisive steps.

Victory can be ours. But if we want it we have to be willing to fight for it.

 

[noztnac]

This Campaign needs a serious Shocker and this is just one example at SERIOUSLY GRABBING THE PEOPLES ATTENTION.

Tie in the spending, the corruption, lobbyists, PACS, Corporations, INFLATION, etc etc...

Have Micheal Moore or Tony Scott produce some quality commercials, not the current OLD, LETHARGIC, YAWNERS

That's a great idea.

 

[free.alive]

The grassroots should quietly fund both a swift-boat movement against Huck, Obama and McCain (The neocons have Hillary covered) and also fund a movement to get ads out there showing the gruesomeness of the war, highlighting the lies the public believes in.

The campaign can't do this because campaigns have to be bright and positive and make people feel hopeful about the future.

Let's get out our checkbooks

 

[Paul4Prez]

How about this -- ditch the narrator and go to 60-second spots with Ron Paul explaining his positions, at the campaign rallies with hundreds of enthusiastic supporters, instead of sitting there on screen by himself.

Come out and say why he opposed the war in Iraq, and why any right-thinking, God-fearing, decent Republican, American, or human being should have as well. Something like this:

Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11. None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq. Iraq has never attacked us. We invaded and occupied Iraq without provocation, without the Constitutionally required declaration, for shifting and groundless reasons. Now over 3,000 of our bravest men and women are dead, and another 30,000 have been injured, some of whom will carry those scars for the rest of their lives.

When I'm elected President, America will never again launch a preemptive war, and your sons and daughters will never have to die in an unnecessary war. I'm Ron Paul, and I approve this message, because I want to live in a decent country again.

 

[noztnac]

He needs some edgier grittier ads. America needs to be slapped out of their stupor. When lemmings are walking off the cliff you have to scream at them. You can't just tap them on the shoulder.

We should be recruiting young talent from University students. To win the "change" vote we need Quentin Tarantino style ads not slick feel good bullshit.

 

[noztnac]

We should really shell out some cash to a good director to produce a bold ad campaign.
Ask them to do it for free first and then offer cash if necessary. Give them a challenge they can't resist.

Tarantino
Eastwood
Rodriguez
David O Russell
Robert Duvall
Francis Ford Coppala
David Cronenberg
David Lynch
Guy Ritchie

 

[noztnac]

The worst these directors can say is "No".

They may see it as an opportunity to create some buzz for themselves.

Here are a few more:

Sean Penn
Michael Moore
Sylvester Stallone

George Carlin - to write a script
Howard Stern - to write a script
Dennis Leary - to write a script


Let's not go down without a fight. It's time to swing for the fences!

 

[Isupportliberty]

this is a good way to wake people up.

 

[pinkmandy]

I agree. I don't care if it freaks people out- at the very least maybe the sheep won't be so gung-ho to run out and vote for a war mongerer. I'd rather have them not vote at all than vote for them.

 

[mokkan88]

I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

That is the problem. And that is why we need something like this. We need to jolt them from their fantasy world the hard way - if we just play along like the other politicians, they'll have no reason to vote for anyone but those politicians.

Paul needs to show people what they are supporting when they vote pro-war.

 

[mokkan88]

By the way, George Carlin would be a great director. This is exactly the kind've stuff he's been talking about for decades. He's an intelligent comedian - funny as anyone, but he always has a message rooted in seriousness.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I would like to order up one complete Campaign Staff that has outstanding Marketing and PR Skills. Who's personnel can SPIN an Apple into an Orange, with an Advertising Firm, the fortune 500 would chase through Harlem to be their PR. A production crew that builds radio and video Ads that stop the clocks and make people stop, watch, and listen. Staffers like Air Traffic Controllers, on top of every situation and guiding the routes of critical Operations. Taking input from everyone... CO-OP's, Grants for results... scholarships for production... etc.

No More Amateurs, please!

Anything, besides the current HIGH SCHOOL attempts of futility by taking the Apple pie out of the trash can and dusty flag out of the garage and waving both, expecting the whole neighborhood to come a running.

INNOVATE... CREATE... SHOCK... COMMUNICATE... SPIN...

 

[mokkan88]

Very graphic site: http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html

You've been warned. It's heart-breaking. Which is just what we need.

 

[Recovering Socialist]

Fucking Awesome!!!!!

 

[Minuteman2008]

I agree on continiuing to pursue the anti-war vote by shocking people.

But that is not all. Ron needs to start going after the Democrats big time. He is running for the Republican primary, so: the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Republicans eat that stuff up. Let Paul go after the Dims on spending and open borders, their failure to end the war in Iraq after taking control of Congress, and the fact that they've basically given Bush a blank check.

Obama is basically the media darling, but that means there will soon be a backlash against him. Don't be afraid to contrast RP with Obama on the major issues. With those two, it's socialsim and racial politics (actively pandering to racial groups) vs. small government and liberty (individualism rather than racial politics).

Bottom line: keep in mind Paul has to get Republicans on board, so don't focus 100% on the war, but don't rule out anything. Desperate circumstances call for desperate measures.

 

[noztnac]

It would be cool if Penn and Teller did a "War is bullshit" for their Bullshit show. Anyone know how to get in touch with them?

The real story could be "The media's selling of War as some flag waving patriotic fantasy land is Bullshit."

We are broke and yet we are halfway around the world killing people so that the military industrial complex can make money. Blood for oil. Blood for profit. Blood for empire. It's all fucking bullshit!