What is the most Libertarian or Contitutionalist .........

[Keith and stuff]

Vermont has the best gun laws in the country. You can carry a concealed weapon here and there are no permits. Tangent, what are you referring to?

If you are serious about gun laws, you likely know that there is great debate on this topic. What is certain is that AK, ID, MT, NH and VT tend to have far better (or less restrictive) gun laws than most of the other states.

I've read arguments about how AK, MT, NH and VT were all the best. None of them are anywhere near where they should be but they all tend to have some standout things.

AK, ID and MT are in the West, so I guess those states highly relate to this topic.

 

[RevolutionSD]

I'm glad you brought this up. On the surface, it would appear that what you're saying is in fact a blow against NH. But, let us rewind the clock back to the primary season shall we..

On one hand, NH is the 1st in the nation primary where each isle had 10 candidates in the race, thus diluting the support that some candidates could've had. The other states you mentioned were later in the primary season when other candidates had dropped out making it easier for RP to achieve higher totals and some of them are caucus states which are totally different from primary states. Leading into the NH primary, Fox News hosted a debate which Ron Paul wasn't even allowed into, the only debate he wasn't allowed in. And the night before the primary, our ole boy Tucker Carlson threw Ron on the bbq when he brought up the so-called racist writings in one of Ron's past newsletters. Add all that to the fact that Ron's official campaign was airing ridiculous commercials about not allowing for student visas if someone was from the Middle East. Whether outright ridiculous or completely ignorant about their tact, this was not an issue to highlight amongst NH voters. We have no immigration problem here nor are the conservatives anti-Arab. The main issues that should have been highlighted on TV were Ron's stance on gun rights, repealing the income tax and decreasing federal spending. We have virtually no restrictions on guns here nor do we have a state income tax.. Soooo, those might be the main issues that should've been focused on.

Plus, he should've had more campaign stops in NH as he had far less than McCain and Romney. It seems that the official campaign wasn't running to win it.

If there was another scenario like this going into 2012, we should be better postured to do a lot better if the campaign is more prepared. Right off the bat, there should be millions poured into NH via advertising and the ground troops will drill the message home from there. Plus, we've had lots of early movers since '07 and more to come before '11 (FSP). This is another added benefit for those that don't like their present state to move here and help gear up for the next primary.

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign? Remember, this is where the RP troops were stomping through the snow going door-to-door the most.

I think one thing we're not considering is that most voters want to GET something from whoever they are voting for. In other words, McCain is promising social security and all the wonderful benefits that the state can provide. RP is offering a do-it-yourself approach. Of course, we all know that RP's ideas are the ONLY right way, and McCain and all the statists are destroying the country. But most people can only see immediate gratification- and people who vote especially tend to focus on the goodies rather than what's good for us.

If all the mistakes you mentioned were not made, it's possible RP would have gotten a couple more percent of the vote. But I highly doubt he would have challenged McCain, unless he ran ads talking about how he would protect social security, etc.

 

[easycougar]

How are the cities/towns in Ron Paul's district?
For those of you that currently live there, how would you describe it?

 

[james1906]

How are the cities/towns in Ron Paul's district?
For those of you that currently live there, how would you describe it?

Friendswood just legalized alcohol this month! Woo hoo Friendswood!

 

[FSP-Rebel]

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign? Remember, this is where the RP troops were stomping through the snow going door-to-door the most.

I think one thing we're not considering is that most voters want to GET something from whoever they are voting for. In other words, McCain is promising social security and all the wonderful benefits that the state can provide. RP is offering a do-it-yourself approach. Of course, we all know that RP's ideas are the ONLY right way, and McCain and all the statists are destroying the country. But most people can only see immediate gratification- and people who vote especially tend to focus on the goodies rather than what's good for us.

If all the mistakes you mentioned were not made, it's possible RP would have gotten a couple more percent of the vote. But I highly doubt he would have challenged McCain, unless he ran ads talking about how he would protect social security, etc.

I agree with some of the points you make. But in addition to some of the things I posted priorly, Ron Paul didn't have the best name rec and most people that did know him knew him by virtue of his 'crazy supporters'. The media tried their best to not include Ron in GOP candidate lineups and thus most people thought he didn't have a chance anyway, thus didn't consider him to be a viable option when voting. I agree with Keith that judging a state based upon their current laws is key. The economy, which is Ron's strongest issue, hadn't really went to hell til after the primary. So now, he has more of a claim to fame especially after all the support he got on 1207. Even in the debates that Ron was in, they didn't give him much time and often asked him obscure questions.

Rasmussen had Ron at 15ish% going into the NH primary but the last minute tarnish by Tucker over the racist newsletters and not being in the Fox debate cut that in half. If Ron ran again, he'd have higher name rec and would be more bonafide as the head honcho that took on the Fed. The people will know we're in a depression by then and will be hungry for something different.

But to the OP, NH is the best because we're the lowest taxed out of the lower 48 contiguous states and we have pretty decent gun laws. Furthermore, we have no seatbelt law (one less reason for cops to pull you over to possibly search your car for stuff), no mandatory car insurance, our constitution allows for revolution and many other reasons. The added bonus is that new liberty lovers are moving in every week to help bolster freedom here and this activates native freedom lovers to join in. Our 9-12 group isn't a Palin bandwagon and is likely the most libertarian in the country.

Lastly, NH has plenty of its own resources to survive w/o DC and we aren't landlocked like some of the western choices. We are one of the original 13 colonies that voluntarily signed on to the Constitution, so we have a strong legal case to back out. What we don't have, oil for example, can be gotten through trade with Canada.

 

[Keith and stuff]

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign?

No, it was mostly the message. Most of the people that the Ron Paul would do well because they didn't know that much about politics. If they knew a lot about politics, they would have likely known that Ron Paul's message isn't popular in this nation. I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

No, it was mostly the message. Most of the people that that Ron Paul would do well because they didn't know that much about politics. If they know a lot about politics, they would have likely known that Ron Paul's message isn't popular in this nation. I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe with if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

Amen. I plan on moving there when I get out of the military. Just under two years left. I was planning on going to GMU to finish my degree when I get out, but may decide instead to go to school in NH. That is still up in the air, but I don't think anyone has as good of an Econ department (Austrian) as GMU. I get to hang out with Thomas Woods this monday, so that will be cool and I'll get to ask his opinion.

Keep up the fire NH! (Yeah, I know, probably not the best major suited for job opportunity after school; Economics/Philosophy minor Finance) Though, since I'll be well read and studied in Austrian Econ I should be able to do quite well as an investor, though obviously need some start up capital.....(That said, I'm all ready up 72% this month.....so not doing that bad...)

 

[kahless]

... I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe with if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

I completely agree with the above and think all it would take is one free state to wake up the nation to these ideas. It would be a good start in moving the nation back in the right direction.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I completely agree with the above and think all it would take is one free state to wake up the nation to these ideas. It would be a good start in moving the nation back in the right direction.

Exactly, that is the main idea behind the FSP. Make NH free, so the rest of the country and hopefully the world, could follow suit.

 

[rg17]

Northern Idaho

 

[Ronin Truth]

https://www.google.com/search?q=mos...1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..0.17.1969.KvDt76OZZG0

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...a lot of the new hampshire 'libertarians' i've met are thinly-disguised republicans...YUCK!!...

...monetary ignoramuses, etc..

...in maine, the best, most knowledgeable people don't vote...and can't be counted in any ranking scheme....

...i do know when i hang out in maine i am around many more monetary realists than what i've found at 'porcfest' and the rest of 'cow hampshire'...

...seriously, new hampshire, esp. northern new hampshire, is my 2nd favorite place...maybe tied with northern vermont...me., of course, #1......of course, florida is awful awful nice in late january...

...haven't been to ak, hawaii, washington, north dakota..

 

[dude58677]

Alaska hands down. They have no gun laws, drug laws, income taxes, and if you are a parent or under the age 18 the compulsory schooling laws do not apply to students not enrolled in public schools(Irwin Schiffs voluntary compliance).

 

[Acala]

Alaska hands down. They have no gun laws, drug laws, income taxes, and if you are a parent or under the age 18 the compulsory schooling laws do not apply to students not enrolled in public schools(Irwin Schiffs voluntary compliance).

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

 

[Acala]

...haven't been to ak, hawaii, washington, north dakota..

That's a point in their favor.

 

[Danke]

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

MJ? Michael Jackson?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

That's a point in their favor.

(...?i sense the republicrat acala is still smarting from being thoroughly exposed as a complete monetary ignoramus over at my fantastic! 'Exposing Monetary Ignorance for Dummies' thread...another gold-bug munchkin dummy following the yellow brick road...'follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road'.....because, because, because, because because..... )

 

[dude58677]

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

If you don't send your kid to the public schools then the compulsory schooling laws do not apply. It is like the military, if you enlist then you can't quit but it is voluntary to enlist. It is voluntary to enroll in the public schools but once you enroll the compulsory laws apply(can't run off of school grounds). If you don't enroll then the compulsory laws don't apply.

 

[oyarde]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?

You are basically down to counties. Start with the least populated , mostly .With the least law enforcement.

 

[oyarde]

Northern Idaho

One of the few places I would suggest.