What is the make-up of Rand Paul's base?

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I've seen him trying to gain an advantage with African Americans, I've seen him attempting to appeal to the Israeli lobby, I've seen him throw a few crumbs to the liberty movement, but I've yet to see him nail down an ideology that would garner him large scale favor with any of those groups.

So,...what is Rand Paul's base?
 
Meh. I think that the GOP is just turning him loose a bit in order to leech off of his popularity and perhaps to give mainstream cable news a utility to try to reel in some sort of credibility. They need him more than we need them. Rand likely knows his role in all of that. But, hey...If he runs and gets a nomination, I'd vote for him.
 
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Natural Citizen said:
Meh. I think that the GOP is just turning him loose a bit in order to leech off of his popularity and perhaps to give mainstream cable news a utility to try to reel in some sort of credibility. They need him more than we need them. Rand likely knows his role in all of that. But, hey...If he runs and gets a nomination, I'd vote for him.
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Yep. I agree with this. It may happen that they give him a little too much rope and he wins the nomination, though. If that happens, the establishment will start blaming each other and each piece will try to gain an new angle. Let's hope that happens. Good things happen when the establishment is in disarray.
 
Smitty said:
I've seen him trying to gain an advantage with African Americans, I've seen him attempting to appeal to the Israeli lobby, I've seen him throw a few crumbs to the liberty movement, but I've yet to see him nail down an ideology that would garner him large scale favor with any of those groups.
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:rolleyes:

So,...what is Rand Paul's base?
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The liberty movement

;)
 
Rand Paul is doing what he's doing with the Israel lobby and black voters in order to insulate himself from criticism that he's racist, anti-Israel or antisemitic. I've been saying this forever. The Israel-firsters are never going to vote for him in large numbers, neither will blacks. He's smart enough to know this, so that's not why he's doing it.

To the point, his base are generic conservatives, paleocons, small government neocons, libertarians, libertarian leaning Republicans, capitalists tea partiers and sensible ancaps. In other words, the liberty movement plus a couple other groups.
 
r3volution 3.0 said:
The liberty movement

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The problem with that is that there exists a stalking horse that functions from within it. So many times I see the phenomenon where entities who want nothing to do with liberty function from within the liberty movement in a way in which, really, what they are doing is promoting the freedom of the entity to practice tyranny against humanity. Is just a fact. And there are many, many, many examples of this here on the forum. Are they worth bumping? likely not. But we could.
 
ThePaleoLibertarian said:
Rand Paul is doing what he's doing with the Israel lobby and black voters in order to insulate himself from criticism that he's racist, anti-Israel or antisemitic. I've been saying this forever. The Israel-firsters are never going to vote for him in large numbers, neither will blacks. He's smart enough to know this, so that's not why he's doing it.

To the point, his base are conservatives, libertarian Republicans, capitalists and tea partiers.
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Yeah, this is a good point, too. He doesn't need these people to vote for him, he just needs to make it not worth their time to vote against him. The playbook of the Democrats has been to paint the GOP as evil monsters in order to drive up their turn-out. It's their election model. It's a proven strategy and it works. Rand can undercut that.
 
philipped said:
I'm Rand's base. A young different kind of Republican that wishes to make his party look like the rest of America.
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You're very enthusiastic. Is why I like your postings. You remind me of what was during Ron's last significant public work there during the 2012 cycle. You're an example of a renaissance that comes and goes. Changing the course of history is critical. And social energy is critical to that. Getting elected? Meh. Not sure. I think that model is a roadblock to the renaissance. One that may be put in place by design. And then you get the stalking horse in the corral once that happens. Need to put a lasso on that sominabitch one of these days.
 
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Natural Citizen said:
Changing the course of history is critical. And social energy is critical to that. Getting elected? Meh. Not sure.
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How exactly would we change the course of history without winning elections?

Education? Yes, that's important, but if these newly educated people don't vote and the Lindsey Grahams of the world keep getting elected - what's changed? Civil disobedience? ....doesn't work in a democracy except as a means to changing voting behavior. Violent revolution? Good luck.
 
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r3volution 3.0 said:
How exactly would we change the course of history without winning elections?

Education? Yes, that's important, but if these newly educated people don't vote and the Lindsey Grahams of the world keep getting elected..

..what's changed?
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I'm not talking abut elections themselves. And I was just getting ready to edit that post to clarify my thought on that. What I'm talking about are enterests that operate counterintuitive to what actually generates enthusiasm with regard to becoming active toward one's principles. I would use those classes that Matt brings up once in a while as an example. The problem with that is that you get an enthusiastic kid who believes and agrees with everything that he just heard Ron Paul say but then when he goes up to Ron and asks what he could do to become a part of that in a productive way, Ron sends him to some dolt who tells the kid to forget about all of those principles and...oh, btw...here....I need you to help me get my right to work meme rolling. Foreign policy? Meh...we won't worry with that. And so the kid never gets to act upon anything that brought him to want to advance his principles. In fact, he does that which is quite the opposite. And, of course, Ron doesn't know what is going on. You know?

Of course, I agree with you in that we need to work to ensure that the Lindsey Grahams of the world do not keep getting elected. It's a tough road, man.
 
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Vanguard101 said:
His base: Young millenials that despise government.

The majority: Constitutionalists.
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How do you define government, Vanguard101? I'm thinking that it is a body representative and made up of, by and for the people of the United States of America.
 
I'd imagine those who support him will comprise his base. However its a strong bet that those who opppse him will not.

My prediction for the NCAA tournament, I think the team that scores the most points has a great chance to win.
 
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