What is Ron Paul's standing in the Jewish Community?

I was recently speaking to a wonderful person who really likes Ron Paul, and I've been trying to cement that person's enthusiasm on Ron Paul. This person, who isn't Jewish to the best of my knowledge, has a bit of a problem with Ron's stance on Israel right now, although she's still going to support Ron fully in his efforts to get elected.

That person said:

"Well, if we stop giving aid and Russia and China continue to aid other not so friendly nations, what happens to Israel then? Let's not fool ourselves -- Iran has an agenda and lots of people over there hate the US, Israel and Britian for that matter... First Israel, then the US... I feel we need to support Israel...(not that Obama cares too much for Israel anyway)... We need to take hate speech seriously -- look what happened in WW2 when no one took Hitler's speech seriously... That wasn't too long ago and it can happen again soon... Anytime, anywhere... We need to stay vigilant always!" Then, the person adds jokingly, "Can we only give $$$ to Israel and stop all the other aid?"
 
We had a special mmet-up in 2008 called"Jews for Ron Paul. There is not such a group this time.
 
My Rabbi is becoming a citizen solely so he can vote for Ron Paul.

But I'm kinda convincing when it comes to Ron Paul.
 
If Ron gets to the general I think we'll have to hope that Jewish people will vote for Ron because he's not Obama. I think that the most convincing argument is that we are giving to Israel's enemies that are surrounding Israel and Israel as well. Without any aid at all Israel would be able to support itself and the other countries wouldn't have US funded militaries to attack them.
 
I'd say the primary concerns for most Jews would be the economy, jobs, future for their children, the same as any other American, so I'd say the support would be fairly good.

Obviously, if Limbaugh and Levin and the media would stop saying that he hates Israel and is an anti-semite, the support might be better.

Freedom trumps all.
 
"Well, if we stop giving aid and Russia and China continue to aid other not so friendly nations, what happens to Israel then? Let's not fool ourselves -- Iran has an agenda and lots of people over there hate the US, Israel and Britian for that matter... First Israel, then the US... I feel we need to support Israel

Your friend is either misinformed, or feigning ignorance.

Israel has by FAR, the most potent military in the Middle East.

All their wepons are state-of-the-art.

And they have (unoficially) over 400 nuclear weapons.

The notion of Israel being "weak" and "helpless" is propaganda (read: a LIE) to justify massive finanicial aid from US taxpayers.

We need to take hate speech seriously -- look what happened in WW2 when no one took Hitler's speech seriously

"Hate speech" is censorship which would undermine the 1st amendment of the Constitution.

The ADL (anti-defamation league) has been trying to push a "hate speech" bill, with very broad language ala The Patriot Act, through Congress for years.

So far, they've been unsucessful, but I fear the day may come - and come soon - when a Commie "hate speech" law is enacted in the US.
 
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Depends on what generation of Jewish people you talk to. I have a close friend who speaks to a holocaust survivor on a regular basis and visits her. She warns people and tells us that it is happening again here in the U.S., the holocaust is beginning here is what she says. Shes in her 90s.

Take your garbage and shove up where the sun don't shine.
 
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It isn't easy to come upon those without some help, though, so no wonder so many people remain mis-informed on these issues. I will keep spreading the word about this.

Right? I actually ran into americansforisrael.com a couple of weeks ago, and actually can't remember how. I find that the ad they have created (that I posted on page 2) is a fantastic source to print off and hand out to those weary of Paul's Israel positions.
 
An invaluable excerpt of an article on americansforisrael.com:

'Individuals including Israeli economists Ran Dagoni, Yoel Bainerman, and Alvin Rabushka, the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, as well as groups including the Jewish Task Force, the Zionist Freedom Alliance, and the Manhigut Yehudit faction of the Likud Party have long advocated for an end to U.S. foreign aid to Israel. These groups insist that Israel must develop her own economic strength and move towards more free-market economic reforms as a means of boosting national prosperity and strength.
Even Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that foreign aid may do more harm than good, and proposed efforts to wean Israel off of American military aid payments


http://www.americansforisrael.com/archives/35
 
Wow... you guys are fantastic. Both http://www.nkusa.org and http://www.americansforisrael.com/ are EXCELLENT websites. Amazing wealth of information. It isn't easy to come upon those without some help, though, so no wonder so many people remain mis-informed on these issues. I will keep spreading the word about this.

I sincerely admire the NK faction for standing up for the true historical culture of Hebrews and not giving party to what is essentially a heresy in Zionism. I also think Dr Paul's position on Israel is the correct and moral one. Israel needs to stand or fall by her own deeds at this point in history. There certainly is something happening on the ground there currently that will change the upper regimes public face on many areas of their culture.

Rev9
 
I was recently speaking to a wonderful person who really likes Ron Paul, and I've been trying to cement that person's enthusiasm on Ron Paul. This person, who isn't Jewish to the best of my knowledge, has a bit of a problem with Ron's stance on Israel right now, although she's still going to support Ron fully in his efforts to get elected.

That person said:

"Well, if we stop giving aid and Russia and China continue to aid other not so friendly nations, what happens to Israel then? Let's not fool ourselves -- Iran has an agenda and lots of people over there hate the US, Israel and Britian for that matter... First Israel, then the US... I feel we need to support Israel...(not that Obama cares too much for Israel anyway)... We need to take hate speech seriously -- look what happened in WW2 when no one took Hitler's speech seriously... That wasn't too long ago and it can happen again soon... Anytime, anywhere... We need to stay vigilant always!" Then, the person adds jokingly, "Can we only give $$$ to Israel and stop all the other aid?"

Your friend is either misinformed, or feigning ignorance.

Israel has by FAR, the most potent military in the Middle East.

All their wepons are state-of-the-art.

And they have (unoficially) over 400 nuclear weapons.

The notion of Israel being "weak" and "helpless" is propaganda (read: a LIE) to justify massive finanicial aid from US taxpayers.



"Hate speech" is censorship which would undermine the 1st amendment of the Constitution.

The ADL (anti-defamation league) has been trying to push a "hate speech" bill, with very broad language ala The Patriot Act, through Congress for years.

So far, they've been unsucessful, but I fear the day may come - and come soon - when a Commie "hate speech" law is enacted in the US.

I think my new friend is just starting to wake up, but I'm actually grateful to her for making me dig into these positions more deeply so I can offer up more convincing arguments.

My gosh, it amazes me to no end how brainwashed people are about our foreign policy! I guess you listen to one position enough that you think is morally acceptable, and you begin to believe it. There's one guy I've been talking to on Facebook that absolutely insists we must police the world and help the nations in the middle east gain their freedom and fight for equal rights there. And national debt doesn't seem to matter in their argument, until you remind them that the national debt is the matter of national security for us. But then they say "well we have a lot of inefficiencies in how the taxpayer money is used at home, so we need to solve that but keep helping countries abroad". Hah.

But even people who agree that we need to stop the wars and stop policing the war are having trouble swallowing Ron's stance on stopping aid to Israel and stopping military assistance to them, as well as his stance to leave Iran alone because they figure Iran is just itching to obliterate Israel.

We got a lot of work to do, but I guess you do it one person at a time, and once that person fully comes around, they will talk to others.
 
They're not more pro another country, it's just one of their issues.

If you think one American tax dollar should be spent on behalf of another country rather than behalf of the US then you are more pro another country.

Often, it's not one they've really thought about a lot. And, being pro-Israel is not confined to Jews, there are probably more pro-Israel evangelicals than there are Jews.

My statement was not confined by nationality, ethnicity or religion.
 
If you think one American tax dollar should be spent on behalf of another country rather than behalf of the US then you are more pro another country..
Oh, what a ridiculous argument. I don't even believe there should be ANY US tax dollars. Anyway, the people we are trying to get to vote for RP don't need to be told that they should move out of the US.
 
Oh, what a ridiculous argument. I don't even believe there should be ANY US tax dollars. Anyway, the people we are trying to get to vote for RP don't need to be told that they should move out of the US.

The key with a lot of new supporters is SOFT SELL! People have strong beliefs they've adhered to for decades, and you can't change that in a minute. But you gotta carefully plant a seed of the truth and let it grow. If we're too forceful, people will block us out.
 
A lot of times they're not even strong beliefs, it's just something they've never even considered could be wrong, that they've taken for granted since they were taught as a child. It's not a good tactic to hit those people over the head with the sledgehammer of righteousness.
 
Maybe some of you have read my previous posts over the past few weeks, about the ad hominem attacks I have faced by some people on a local conservative Tea Party forum who happen to be both Jewish and Christian Zionists. This all came about because of a few articles I posted about Ron Paul's foreign policy stance and an anti-war article about the enormous influence of the Israeli Lobby. hxxp://www.antiwar.com/orig/mearwalt.php?articleid=9573

Despite my many attempts to be polite and civil, no one would engage in a reasonable dialogue. There was an immediate attack of being labeled an anti-semite when all I was trying to discuss was policy - NOT a race of people. If I posted articles by Jewish writers that were in favor of Ron Paul, then they were all labeled as "self-hating Jews!"

Then I discovered there are certain words that you are absolutely forbidden to use like the word "neo-con" for instance. How was I to know that it is supposedly a thinly veiled code word for "Jew??" Apparently, this was started by our favorite anti-Paul friend Mark Levin whose charming personality has seemingly imbued itself to some of his listeners as well.

Then there was the Christian Zionist who wanted to "save me" from God's wrath over my foreign policy position. The C. Zionists believe that we have to support Israel no matter what, because Jesus won't return unless Israel exists. He was do disturbed about my posting Ron Paul videos, that he began spamming about 70 Tea Party forums to spread vicious lies about RP being BOTH an anti-semite and a racist! These people are INSANE!

So my experience is that RP is NOT going to be able to convince these types of people whose beliefs are deeply engrained. I think he would do better with the Democratic Jewish community.

But the 1000 lb. gorilla in the room that is keeping us entangled in a constant state of war is AIPAC. I think The Fed & AIPAC go hand in hand as 2 of the most serious obstacles to Peace & Prosperity in our country. It is taboo to even discuss AIPAC in this country. But AIPAC is openly discussed in the Israeli media. Congress is in FEAR of AIPAC and bows down to them openly:

The Best Congress AIPAC Can Buy
hxxp://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2009/09/02/the-best-congress-aipac-can-buy/

You might think that 20 percent of the American Congress going on all-expenses-paid, weeklong junkets to a foreign country — paid for by a lobby for that country — would be newsworthy, especially when the top congressional leaders of both parties are leading the trips.
You would be wrong.

Eighty-one congressional representatives from all over the country, led by Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, are traveling to Israel this month. Most are freshmen congressmen, and the group includes half of all the freshmen Republicans voted into office in 2010.

The weeklong trips are being paid for by the American Israel Education Foundation (AIEF), which was created in 1990 as a supporting organization of AIPAC, America’s major pro-Israel lobbying organization, and they are located in the same building. AIEF, which is only one of numerous organizations pushing pro-Israel policies, has an annual budget of over $24 million, with an even larger endowment.

This is an extraordinary situation. No other lobby on behalf of a foreign country comes anywhere near controlling such wealth or taking so many of America’s elected representatives on a propaganda trip to its favorite country.

Not all those going on these trips are enthusiastic. The wife of one congressman who made a similar trip some years ago said that she and her husband had never been exposed to such pressure in all their lives. She said that at one point on their trip, her husband — a normally extremely tough man — was curled up in a fetal position.

hxxp://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2011/08/10/israel-lobby-dominates-congress/
 
Show me the Constitutional authorization for spending US tax dollars on behalf of another country. Article and Section.
What part of "I don't believe in taxes" are you finding difficult to understand?
 
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