What I don't understand is this - Obama ads saying he'll end the war!

"I am less safe, the American people are less safe for this. It's the policy that is wrong. Tactical movements and shifting troops around and taking in 30 more and reducing by five, totally irrelevant. We need a new foreign policy that said we ought to mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend this country, defend our borders…" - Ron Paul
 
Obama talks a good game but when in office there will "complications" which mean the troops wont come home, or they will be some symbolic coming home and scaling down to pre-surge levels over a number of years

the sheep supporting him and buying into the hype are in for a let down should he ever get into office
 
Obama talks a good game but when in office there will "complications" which mean the troops wont come home, or they will be some symbolic coming home and scaling down to pre-surge levels over a number of years

the sheep supporting him and buying into the hype are in for a let down should he ever get into office

What will happen is that there will still be a base and still be tens of thousands of troops, but the US media will focus on the amount he pulls out and have the people think Obama delivered on his promise. The Americans will stay in Iraq for another 50 years or until the $ crashes.
 
you guys realize of course, this is an election, during which time most candidates will say whatever they feel will get them the votes. They will blatantly lie to you. Remember bush 1 states 'read my lips, no new taxes' which of course later was interpreted as 'know new taxes'
They will lie all the time, they just don't like getting caught in them, so a campaign promise means nothing really. That's part of the reason we like RP so much, especially us apathetic voters, because we feel we can actually believe what he says!
 
The phrasing he uses- he will START bringing home troops and have MOST troops out 16 months into the presidency.

This does not mean all the troops will be out.

People do not pay attention to buzz words enough.

Don't forget they're building a bunch of PERMANENT bases in Iraq. Obama is establishment. He'd leave people there to man those bases. Paul would pull the plug and bring 'em all home. Go Ron!!!!
 
Obama wants to stay 16 months in Iraq. Check his site. He is a lying SOB.
 
Obama has been opposed to the war from the beginning, but he wasn't in the U.S. Senate at the time so he doesn't have a vote on the resolution. I believe that he did vote to fund the war up until a couple years ago where he has since voted to not fund it. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. I hope he is because he's certainly the best candidate left on the Iraq war issue that has a realistic shot of winning. My guess is that neither Obama nor Hillary would withdrawal completely as they'll leave some troops there to protect that extravagant embassy we build there. And of course, McCain and Romney want to establish a permanent presence there and maybe expand into other countries.
 
He wasn't even able to.....he wasn't in the Senate yet. He did give a very very good speech back then though....which turned out to be true, as did Dr Ron Paul....who was in congress and against it.

Democrats go with whatever is popular public opinion at any given time lately....Obama is better than Hillary who promises free everything to everyone...I guess the money will pop out of thin air and grow on trees, plus we will all crap rainbows, if we give power to Hillary.

Actually, Obama is not better than Hillary economically. Obama's increase per annum in spending is 287 Billion, while Hillary's is 218 Billion.

As far as the war goes, Obama did not vote for the war, because he wasn't in the Senate. He has, however, voted to fund the war. Hillary voted both for the war and for funding the war. Neither one has taken Iran off the table, and I know that both of them have stated that they could not guarantee that our troops would be out of Iraq by 2013. Have they since changed their minds? I don't know, but that was enough for me to stop listening to a thing they had to say.

That's hardly anti-war, in my book. And these two, in my opinion, are far worse than even the worst Republican because not only will they continue this war, they'll speed up the economic collapse of our country without even a grade-schoolers understanding of basic monetary principles.

Here's the source on spending: http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141

I will not vote for anyone other than Paul, but even the lying slickster Romney, the '100 years' psychopath McCain and 'change the constitution to reflect the bible' Huckabee are better than those two.
 
Yah the whole 16 months thing is just stupid. Why not 15 or 17 months. What is really the difference? Well after about 16 you can bet most people will have forgotten his promise.
 
Obama Did Not Vote Against The War In The Begining He Stated He Cannot Pledge To Have Troops Out Of Iraq By 2013
 
Well thats all fine and dandy Mr. Obama >said< he would bring the troops home now.

1. he didn't say how many?
2. bringing the troops home, and adhering to the Constitution, is quite another matter
 
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