What has Judge Napolitano said about SCOTUS Obamacare decision?

[Matt Collins]

I've already taken it back!

Really? Are you free to build whatever you want on your own land? Do you even own your own land? Are you able to buy and ingest whatever you want in to your own body? Are you able to buy anything you want at all?

No, of course not. The government has power over you and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Are you going to work to limit their power?

Consider this; as you continue to beg them to set you free

You must have a reading comprehension problem, I don't beg anyone for anything.

 

[TheTexan]

I'm interested in what you mean by this, please elaborate.

There are two groups of people in this country: those that want freedom, and those that do not. We're currently outnumbered significantly, I'd say 10:1. The goal of the FSP is to separate these two groups geographically, and agglomerate freedom lovers into NH in order to improve that ratio.

If we were able to get that ratio on our side, and we outnumbered the enemies of freedom 2:1, freedom would happen naturally. That freedom may come about through politics, or it may not.

Basically, a government is only a representation of its people. FSP addresses the root problem: the people. The people of this country simply do not want freedom. That's why I don't consider the FSP a political solution. Because the solution to the root problem is firmly outside the realm of politics.

 

[Matt Collins]

There are two groups of people in this country: those that want freedom, and those that do not. We're currently outnumbered significantly, I'd say 10:1. The goal of the FSP is to separate these two groups geographically, and agglomerate freedom lovers into NH in order to improve that ratio.

If we were able to get that ratio on our side, and we outnumbered the enemies of freedom 2:1, freedom would happen naturally. That freedom may come about through politics, or it may not.

Basically, a government is only a representation of its people. FSP addresses the root problem: the people. The people of this country simply do not want freedom. That's why I don't consider the FSP a political solution. Because the solution to the root problem is firmly outside the realm of politics.

Ok, I completely agree with the goals stated above. But the reality is that you don't need any sort of majority. In fact even a small minority can have great effect and outcome on who gets power and what they can do with it. In many elections, 3% can determine the outcome. Here is how you do it: http://training4liberty.org/facl/important_info.html

 

[MelissaCato]

Ok, I completely agree with the goals stated above. But the reality is that you don't need any sort of majority. In fact even a small minority can have great effect and outcome on who gets power and what they can do with it. In many elections, 3% can determine the outcome. Here is how you do it: http://training4liberty.org/facl/important_info.html

So is this the reason why some people are pointing fingers at others around here saying who is and who isn't a part of Ron Pauls Revolution ? I suppose the people pointing the fingers are the presumed 3%. No ?

Because I see alot of pointing fingers of who is and who isn't as of late on RPF. Just wondering, because that 3% (from what I see) is no different in mentality than what we have now - all things considered.

JMO.

 

[Contumacious]

Yes it does. And you heard it from me first: they will absolutely, positively, come up with some sort of mental masturbation declaring it OK this one time.

I knew that already.

But I'm hoping that if the case goes up the system again it will take a year or 2 before it gets to the supreme scumbags.

By then , Benedict Roberts would have had a chance to cash in all his health care stocks and might want to redeem himself.

Can't give up.

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[TheTexan]

Ok, I completely agree with the goals stated above. But the reality is that you don't need any sort of majority. In fact even a small minority can have great effect and outcome on who gets power and what they can do with it. In many elections, 3% can determine the outcome. Here is how you do it: http://training4liberty.org/facl/important_info.html

I really don't think we're going to be able to sneak freedom past the tyranny-loving majority without them noticing. They love their tyranny, and they'll fight just as hard for tyranny as we do for freedom, if their beloved system of control were ever threatened with liberty.

 

[Matt Collins]

I really don't think we're going to be able to sneak freedom past the tyranny-loving majority without them noticing. They love their tyranny, and they'll fight just as hard for tyranny as we do for freedom, if their beloved system of control were ever threatened with liberty.

We don't sneak anything past anyone. We fight them one vote, one issue at a time. It does not take a majority to win, but a tireless vocal minority. That has been proven over and over.

 

[TheTexan]

but a tireless vocal minority. That has been proven over and over.

Has it? Through voting? Still waiting for an example in history of where politics has successfully reversed the advance of tyranny, for everybody, and not select groups

 

[Dr.3D]

We don't sneak anything past anyone. We fight them one vote, one issue at a time. It does not take a majority to win, but a tireless vocal minority. That has been proven over and over.

So start the brushfires of freedom. Just a little spark is all it takes.

"It does not take a majority to prevail...

but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on...

setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."

--Samuel Adams, American patriot

 

[TheTexan]

Your Samuel Adams quote is too often misinterpreted. He certainly didn't win his freedom through politics, I'll tell you that.

I prefer this Samuel Adams quote

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

 

[Matt Collins]

Your Samuel Adams quote is too often misinterpreted. He certainly didn't win his freedom through politics, I'll tell you that.

Doesn't matter, the concept applies everywhere, ESPECIALLY in politics.

 

[Matt Collins]

Has it? Through voting? Still waiting for an example in history of where politics has successfully reversed the advance of tyranny, for everybody, and not select groups

There are many activists around the country who have stopped, slowed, or reversed the advance of authoritarian government by being involved on the local level. Are you involved locally?

 

[TheTexan]

There are many activists around the country who have stopped, slowed, or reversed the advance of authoritarian government by being involved on the local level. Are you involved locally?

You'll definitely have more success at the local level for sure, but it's still not a solution unless you can get enough support in your community to nullify/secede.

I'm not involved locally, no point, I'm moving soon

 

[davidkachel]

There are many activists around the country who have stopped, slowed, or reversed the advance of authoritarian government by being involved on the local level. Are you involved locally?

Yeah, that's been the Libertarian plan for decades: stop the tyrants by getting your people elected to the school board and as dog catcher. Works great, huh! We've got Nancy Pelosi on the run now!

This is by the way, the reason I gave up on the Libertarians. They're a bunch of do-nothing Casper Milquetoasts who think whining will produce results. The Barney Fife of the liberty world.

 

[davidkachel]

Really? The government has power over you and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Sigh! I am sure you are a well meaning fellow Matt. Your heart seems to be in the right place. But you are severely blinded by your Stockholm syndrome. The prison you worry might contain you if you don't follow their rules, already contains you.

Government only has power over you if you let it.

To be free, you need only make a decision. But to be capable of making that decision, you must first see that the tyrants will never let go and you must realize you have nothing left to lose.

In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal. (And in the current tyranny, everyone who wants their freedom back has already been labeled a terrorist. That includes you.)

If you're ALREADY a criminal (or a terrorist), what exactly is there to fear losing?

If you don't want to die in chains, you must accept and embrace the label of criminal.

 

[Shredmonster]

You fail to understand politics.

See this link: http://training4liberty.org/facl/important_info.html

No as everybody here is trying to tell you that you are in denial - it is you that do not understand politics. People here are not defeatists - they are realists.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/07/06/7_unhappy_truths_about_politicians/page/2

Many political observers believe Americans are too cynical about politicians. Take it from someone who has been blogging for more than a decade and has met countless politicians and political aides: if anything, people aren't cynical enough.

1) The first priority of a politician is always getting re-elected
2) Most politicians care far more about the opinions of interest groups than their constituents
3) You shouldn't ever take a politician at his word
4) Most members of Congress aren't particularly competent
5) Members of Congress are out of touch
6) Few of them will do anything to limit their own power
7) Most politicians only do the right thing because they're forced to do it

So continue to be in denial as it is easier not to see or believe what is really happening. Much easier to deny what history has shown and proven isn't it ?

It is much harder to face reality.

 

[Matt Collins]

Many political observers believe Americans are too cynical about politicians. Take it from someone who has been blogging for more than a decade and has met countless politicians and political aides: if anything, people aren't cynical enough.

1) The first priority of a politician is always getting re-elected
2) Most politicians care far more about the opinions of interest groups than their constituents
3) You shouldn't ever take a politician at his word
4) Most members of Congress aren't particularly competent
5) Members of Congress are out of touch
6) Few of them will do anything to limit their own power
7) Most politicians only do the right thing because they're forced to do it

I agree with all of those points. But the trick is to use that to our advantage, specifically #1. If we can threaten a politician's re-election chances then we can force them to change their behavior. I know, I've done it before.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yeah, that's been the Libertarian plan for decades: stop the tyrants by getting your people elected to the school board and as dog catcher. Works great, huh! We've got Nancy Pelosi on the run now!

This is by the way, the reason I gave up on the Libertarians. They're a bunch of do-nothing Casper Milquetoasts who think whining will produce results. The Barney Fife of the liberty world.

I am not a fan of the LP either but the trick is actually to get our people elected into the state legislatures, which is the most powerful position to be in. We've done it, and we're doing it now.

 

[Matt Collins]

Government only has power over you if you let it.

When the feds show up at your door and you are outgunned you don't have a choice (unless you are suicidal).

To be free, you need only make a decision. But to be capable of making that decision, you must first see that the tyrants will never let go and you must realize you have nothing left to lose.

That's why you force them to modify their behavior using their own interests against them. It's not that hard to do, I know because I've done it.

 

[Matt Collins]

Has it? Through voting? Still waiting for an example in history of where politics has successfully reversed the advance of tyranny, for everybody, and not select groups

The American Revolution.