What has Judge Napolitano said about SCOTUS Obamacare decision?

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Something IS happening. We are trending upwards in case you haven't noticed.

Don't be a defeatist!


It's incremental change we are working for, not quick immediate gratification. It took over a century to get here, it's going to take us close to that to deconstruct it. Before we can destruct the skyscraper we have to stop building it.

What state do you live in? Is your local CFL active? Do you know who holds the power in your state legislature? Do you know your State Rep and State Senator? What legislation will be focused on in the 2013 session? Have you worked to get any bills killed?


I am doing my part, are you doing yours?

You know what...I am just going to be honest here and call this the greatest bullshit ever peddled EVER. Liberty does not come in incrementalism, it is not in its nature. Tyranny is incremental. Can you name any society, any Government, anywhere in any period of history where liberty was restored incrementally over years and decades? Name one.

Moreover, the nature of tyranny is incremental, slow, deliberate, calculating. Have you not ever read Leviathan by Robert Higgs? All your incrementalism is wiped out at the first crisis that comes along, the first war, etc. If you honestly think you are going to restore liberty over a 100 year period you are delusional and only harming yourself by false hope.

 

[TheTexan]

You know what...I am just going to be honest here and call this the greatest bullshit ever peddled EVER. Liberty does not come in incrementalism, it is not in its nature. Tyranny is incremental. Can you name any society, any Government, anywhere in any period of history where liberty was restored incrementally over years and decades? Name one.

This please, name one

 

[Matt Collins]

Liberty does not come in incrementalism, it is not in its nature.

Tell that to non-white people, women, and homosexuals in America.

If you honestly think you are going to restore liberty over a 100 year period you are delusional and only harming yourself by false hope.

If you don't make an effort, you're right, it won't happen. But if you put out some effort it just might. Don't know 'til you try.

Don't be a defeatist.

 

[TheTexan]

Tell that to non-white people, women, and homosexuals in America.

You're saying as a country we are more free now than we were in 1960. Interesting

 

[Matt Collins]

You're saying as a country we are more free now than we were in 1960. Interesting

Some people are, some people aren't. We are not monolithic.

 

[TheTexan]

Some people are, some people aren't. We are not monolithic.

Freedom gets redistributed from time to time, but the net change of freedom over time is always an incremental loss.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Can we get Judge Napolitano as US Attorney General or Supreme Court Justice?

 

[Matt Collins]

Freedom gets redistributed from time to time, but the net change of freedom over time is always an incremental loss.

So you are saying the average person now is more free than say the 1400's or even the early 1700s?

 

[MelissaCato]

That is nonsense. You mean to tell me - we have to wait almost 100 years to stop the police brutality, police shooting innocent pets in their own yards, police killing our veterans because of bogus anonymous tips, police killing old men whittling on bench because he wouldn't put the knife down, kids fined for lemonade stands, elementary students tazed and cuffed because of an easter egg, ect ect ect ?

Fluoride in the water, drones, NDAA, NSA "Spy Centers", TSA, GMO, bailouts, TARP, Czars, government owned private business, FISA, assaults on the 2nd .. the list goes on and on and on

I'm sorry, we don't have another 100 years to correct these usurps. What's happening is "we the people" are going down one by one (and evidently NOONE really does cares or it would be immediately fixed as per the US Constitution) .. waiting another 100 years to correct America is nothing but yet another controlled agreement of death and destruction amongst us. Only in our case the (Ron Paul Revolution) we are branded.

JMO.

Why does it always feel (to me) like we need a act by God to save America as founded ?

 

[TheTexan]

So you are saying the average person now is more free than say the 1400's or even the early 1700s?

early 1700's = tyranny rising
1776 = tyranny reset back to freedom
1800's = freedom begins to lose grip
1860's = tyranny takes over
1900's = tyranny advancing
2012 = this country is fucked too many ways to count

 

[Matt Collins]

early 1700's = tyranny rising
1776 = tyranny reset back to freedom
1800's = freedom begins to lose grip
1860's = tyranny takes over
1900's = tyranny advancing
2012 = this country is fucked too many ways to count

As I said unless you are a minority, a woman, homosexual, etc. Or if you live in another country then it is completely different. And again in some ways everyone in the US is more free now than they were.

 

[TheTexan]

As I said unless you are a minority, a woman, homosexual, etc. Or if you live in another country then it is completely different. And again in some ways everyone in the US is more free now than they were.

We're all slaves Matt. Even the women. Even the homosexuals. Tyranny does not discriminate, and it's getting worse - for everybody. To ignore this is to willfully keep the wool over your eyes.

 

[Matt Collins]

That is nonsense. You mean to tell me - we have to wait almost 100 years to stop the police brutality, police shooting innocent pets in their own yards, police killing our veterans because of bogus anonymous tips, police killing old men whittling on bench because he wouldn't put the knife down, kids fined for lemonade stands, elementary students tazed and cuffed because of an easter egg, ect ect ect ?

No, but that is probably how long it will take. Again, it didn't get this way over night, and barring some sort of catastrophe, it won't unget this way overnight.

 

[TheTexan]

No, but that is probably how long it will take. Again, it didn't get this way over night, and barring some sort of catastrophe, it won't unget this way overnight.

a) You're not going to incrementally get your liberty back ever, not in 100 years, not in 1000 years
b) In 100 years we'll all be dead; your plan sucks

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Still not a name comes to mind eh Matt? All liberty has come through quick action. English Civil War and the win at the Battle of Runnymeade = Magna Carta. Of course they had to fight again a few years later to cement that document, but it happened relatively quickly and in one large fell swoop. They didn't have to try and petition the King for every nickle and dime so to speak liberty over hundreds of years -- that would and is idiotic and would have never succeeded.

How'd that incrementalism work for the American revolutionaries? That's right it didn't. We won our liberties back in a few years and many good men died to do so (who I might add then got SHAFTED IN THE ASS by the folks who so-called supported them..).

How'd that incrementalism work for Cicero? Not too well.

Hmmm, care to name ANYWHERE liberty was restored slowly and over long periods of time without being reversed during that time? To say we are more free now than in 1900 is ridiculous. THERE WAS NO INCOME TAX IN 1900! There was no Fed! There hardly was any Standing Army at all and we certainly didn't have 51925819258910285 laws mandating to us what acceptable behavior and commerce is.

Yeah, I don't think voting is much a liberty; it's a privilege. I'd gladly give up this 'right' for my actual liberties and rights thanks.

 

[TheTexan]

But... but... women can vote now!

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[Chester Copperpot]

Geez fellas, you really don't get it do you?!!

You are arguing whether the "tax" is constitutional. Obamacare was clearly unconstitutional. Did that make any difference???

You are trying to reason with a big fat drunk whose IQ is 62. You are wasting your time. Every time you make an argument, the drunk will punch you in the face, burn your argument and have another beer. Yet you keep telling yourself that maybe you won't get punched in the face if you can just come up with a more compelling argument.

SHOOT the G*DDAMNED drunk!

I guess we need to call up the militia?

 

[Matt Collins]

Wow, a bunch of narrow-minded defeatists. It's kind of disheartening. Good thing Ron didn't give up like many people here are doing.

 

[TheTexan]

Wow, a bunch of narrow-minded defeatists. It's kind of disheartening.

Defeatists? You're telling me with a straight face that your plan is to die without your freedom, and you're calling us defeatists?

 

[MelissaCato]

Defeatists? You're telling me with a straight face that your plan is to die without your freedom, and you're calling us defeatists?

Ya know it. I never heard Ron Paul say it will take 100 years to get our Liberty back. Matt evidently doesn't have kids or a dog that are concidered collateral damage or expendable to government tyrants.