What happens when you remove God from schools?

[torchbearer]

Agreed, that's also why I have tried to distance myself from religious threads. Today I just couldn't resist.

I know the feeling. I do really good. For several days- I won't even click on them... then- ugh- i click on one... and its all down hill from there.

 

[Sandman33]

You do realize that was a quote from a movie? One thing is for sure, everyone is influenced by the media and entertainment industries.

Once again, you just made a better case for looking into the media than "God being removed from schools".

HEY BRIAN! check this out bro!

http://www.texemarrs.com/columbine_hate_crime.htm

And while we're at it lets keep supporting Israels genocide of the Palestinians.

 

[dgr]

read the pre 1933 Secular Humanist Manifesto, and the 3 subquesent SHM
they outlined their plan to remove God and religion from the schools and have achieved each of their goals. And revisionist history and liberal controlled schools and media are destroying any sense of nationalism as well. The founding fathers had it right when they said "UNITED WE STAND" We are a divided nation, on every level. As long as the goverment keeps us divided we will soon pass socialism and be living in fear of each other and the goverment.
Every great civilization rose on the back of religion and fell when it deemed itself to enlightened to need it.

 

[Objectivist]

How cute. Well then, maybe you can explain why you are HERE, at a forum who supports a Christian man named Ron Paul.


Statistics can be twisted to give just about any results one desires.


Yes, I agree. But, those priests are not exactly adhering to Christ's word.

Ahh but Doctor Paul isn't making idiotic suggestions that religion belongs in the education system. At last check he really doesn't spend a bunch of time pushing the bible on people either. From what I've heard or seen of Doctor Paul, he's all about personal freedom and a limited responsible government, therefor he's a reasonable man. Unlike people that don't know for a fact that our prisons are overwhelmingly filled with religious people.

But a priest is a man of the cloth, a religious man that gives forgiveness to followers of god.

Can I have "Pick and CHoose Your Christians for $1000 Alex?"

 

[Conza88]

Hoorah, another go-nowhere thread pitting A against B.

Who will win? Only lolcats will tell...

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is what you said....

Originally Posted by Objectivist
I don't know anyone that's a christian, I don't associate with people that think irrationally.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

HEY BRIAN! check this out bro!

Yeah, Kleibold was Jewish. Certainly it's possible he was targeting wasp kids. Murder is murder, no matter who those idiots were killing.

The OP was about how removing "God" (and Christian moral teaching) from schools somehow caused Columbine. That's a different subject than whether the murderers were somehow targeting Christians.

 

[TonySutton]

There are several Godless nations out there whose schools are producing far better students than ours. I doubt God has much to do with it.

 

[acptulsa]

What happens when you remove God from schools? Can it be done?

One thing is certain. There will be prayer in school--at least during exams.

 

[TonySutton]

There will be prayer in school--at least during exams.

hehehe +1

 

[Theocrat]

"Four Centuries of American Education" by David Barton

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[LittleLightShining]

While I think we all agree with that public education needs to go, I don’t think its secular nature is the problem. Since public education is essentially big government indoctrination taught by bureaucrats, it’s not hard to see where the lack of good ethics comes from. While I do not disagree with the parental freedom to choose a religious education for your child, religion is not the best answer to the problem posed in this topic. While religion does provide some good ethics, it also provides some very bad ethics. Might I suggest that the best ethics are no farther than right here; in the good old philosophy of individual liberty? But since Constitutional ethics would undermine its big government agenda, public education is never going to do a good job of teaching it and therefore will continue to be devoid of any good ethics.

Again, I agree that the DOE (along with all the other big gov acronyms [IRS, DEA, ATF, FDA, DOT, etc]) needs to go.

I don't think public education needs to go. What I think is that we need to re-localize schools, allowing communities to determine priorities, not the DOE or even the states.

 

[Sandman33]

Yeah, Kleibold was Jewish. Certainly it's possible he was targeting wasp kids. Murder is murder, no matter who those idiots were killing.

The OP was about how removing "God" (and Christian moral teaching) from schools somehow caused Columbine. That's a different subject than whether the murderers were somehow targeting Christians.

I see what you mean. But do you honestly think that if Kliebold was raised with a respect for God that he would have been the same hatefull person?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't think public education needs to go. What I think is that we need to re-localize schools, allowing communities to determine priorities, not the DOE or even the states.

If there's no central authority, it's no longer "public". It's more "communalist", IMHO. In your model, would individuals be forced to fund these schools?

 

[TonySutton]

I see what you mean. But do you honestly think that if Kliebold was raised with a respect for God that he would have been the same hatefull person?

Respecting God does not keep people from becoming murderers. The reality is that history is full of people who killed in the name of God.

 

[Feenix566]

What happens when you remove God from school?

The same thing that happens when you remove God from everything else: Nothing.

 

[josh1anderson]

What happens when you remove God from school?

The same thing that happens when you remove God from everything else: Nothing.
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Wrong when you remove God from any part of live, your life goes down, life without God sucks, He should be in every part of life. From money to were you sleep. And what happens is that He no longer blesses you or what you do. When you take God out of Schools, then the school aren't any good any more. Look at our schools, America in the 60s was number 1 in the world, but after we toke God out of our lives and the school, that the children went to, we are now in last place, we are no longer in 1st but like 23rd in the world. All from wanting to do it ourselves. Leave God out of every and the world will fall apart.

Josh A. Anderson

 

[Feenix566]

Wrong when you remove God from any part of live, your life goes down, life without God sucks, He should be in every part of life. From money to were you sleep. And what happens is that He no longer blesses you or what you do. When you take God out of Schools, then the school aren't any good any more. Look at our schools, America in the 60s was number 1 in the world, but after we toke God out of our lives and the school, that the children went to, we are now in last place, we are no longer in 1st but like 23rd in the world. All from wanting to do it ourselves. Leave God out of every and the world will fall apart.

Josh A. Anderson

You know what, you may be onto something. Just the other day, I drained all the God from my transmission, and now I can't get into second gear. It's like the damn thing is just falling apart all of a sudden!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Wrong when you remove God from any part of live, your life goes down, life without God sucks, He should be in every part of life. From money to were you sleep. And what happens is that He no longer blesses you or what you do. When you take God out of Schools, then the school aren't any good any more. Look at our schools, America in the 60s was number 1 in the world, but after we toke God out of our lives and the school, that the children went to, we are now in last place, we are no longer in 1st but like 23rd in the world. All from wanting to do it ourselves. Leave God out of every and the world will fall apart.

Josh A. Anderson

But there were more variables involved than "God". You will have to take into account a number of other variables, including the growth of the State, increasing illegal immigration, etc.

Not that I have the full answer right off my head, but it's clear that your assessment is incomplete (and RP would agree with me, going by his writings and speeches).

 

[LittleLightShining]

If there's no central authority, it's no longer "public". It's more "communalist", IMHO. In your model, would individuals be forced to fund these schools?

According to the VT State Constitution:

Ch. 2 § 68. Laws to encourage virtue and prevent vice; schools; religious activities (notes)

Laws for the encouragement of virtue and prevention of vice and immorality ought to be constantly kept in force, and duly executed; and a competent number of schools ought to be maintained in each town unless the general assembly permits other provisions for the convenient instruction of youth. All religious societies, or bodies of people that may be united or incorporated for the advancement of religion and learning, or for other pious and charitable purposes, shall be encouraged and protected in the enjoyment of the privileges, immunities, and estates, which they in justice ought to enjoy, under such regulations as the general assembly of this state shall direct.

The communities must provide schools for its children. The rest of the section fits neatly with the topic of this thread.