What Happened to the Blimps Legal Team???

We have reached out and asked for help with our problems from the demographic that we need help from right now, lawyers. As soon as we are ready for more help with ideas like promotions, rallying and user friendliness (probably in a few days) we'll ask everyone. Thanks!

No, you didn't. You sent an email to the tea party group. Those who signed up for the tea party didn't sign up for emails about the blimp.

And you haven't provided any information about why something is or even what is needed specifically.

Just like all the other problems, "We'll come up with a solution and you'll accept it" corporation mentality, and then the RP supporters bail you out 2 days before the due date.

This is very frustrating. We need to be involved and have input, and LOTS of it. A blimpographer isn't needed. GPS tracking is implemented in other ways that we don't have to pay for or develop ourselves.

You can't run a project like this like a company, regardless of what it technically is- Any other company would fail attempting something like this.

So you need to appear to us to be a branch of the movement- NOT a company. You need to appear from the outside/legally to be a company.

I was thinking of donating by the 21st. Now I'm not. Change my mind, PLEASE.
 
I want very badly to help the blimp team out with cash, but like many others I have accountability issues. I'm not dumping on the job you're doing, we know you're working your tails off. But this thing is begging for a press secretary or someone dedicated to issuing timely updates and addressing FAQ's as they arise. Get the communication gap figured out and you'll win over a lot more than just me!
 
I want very badly to help the blimp team out with cash, but like many others I have accountability issues. I'm not dumping on the job you're doing, we know you're working your tails off. But this thing is begging for a press secretary or someone dedicated to issuing timely updates and addressing FAQ's as they arise. Get the communication gap figured out and you'll win over a lot more than just me!

I disagree though, a press secretary is the wrong approach. Their job is to feed a little information to people.

They should involve us in the decisions, the issues, the problems. We can't bring a project together that we are kept out of. Integrate the forums into the decision process for any big decisions.
 
Folks we must have some faith in those managing the blimp. They have done extremely well as far as I can tell under the circumstances. They could not control the weather that prevented them from getting both banners and forced the blimp to cancel the trip to Boston on the 16th for the Tea Party.

We need to cut them some slack and fund this thing -- now. The blimp is the most cost effective advertising vehicle I have ever witnessed. Already the free advertising on the local and national news media is staggering. You cannot buy this kind of advertising. Please do not forget why we are renting the blimp.

I donated another 250.00 dollars this afternoon. I am not a wealthy person but I do have some money coming in, money that will help Ron Paul get elected. He is at the top of my priority list.

As someone posted earlier, if not us, who? if not now, when?
 
No, you didn't. You sent an email to the tea party group. Those who signed up for the tea party didn't sign up for emails about the blimp.

And you haven't provided any information about why something is or even what is needed specifically.

Just like all the other problems, "We'll come up with a solution and you'll accept it" corporation mentality, and then the RP supporters bail you out 2 days before the due date.

This is very frustrating. We need to be involved and have input, and LOTS of it. A blimpographer isn't needed. GPS tracking is implemented in other ways that we don't have to pay for or develop ourselves.

You can't run a project like this like a company, regardless of what it technically is- Any other company would fail attempting something like this.

So you need to appear to us to be a branch of the movement- NOT a company. You need to appear from the outside/legally to be a company.

I was thinking of donating by the 21st. Now I'm not. Change my mind, PLEASE.

With legal matters it is often the case that full disclosure is not possible before a settlement has been reached. That is our current situation.

We have made many, many changes already based on customer feedback via emails and based on feedback we received in this forum and on Daily Paul. If we were operating just like a company I would not have spent days answering hundreds of emails in this forum and at Daily Paul from people who often had not only not sponsored the blimp but who were adamantly against it. From the start we have made ourselves answerable to our customers in every way possible and encountered assaults on our honor, our characters and our professional abilities at every turn.

At some point additional feedback is no longer expressing anything new but mere repetition of what we have heard repeatedly. 2/3rds of the emails we have received are re-iterations of the same 5 themes and we have answered those questions ad nauseam. People rarely bother to research the information we have already put out there before asking us questions.

Please understand that we are working hard and have been effective in achieving our goals, the largest of which was getting the blimp funded enough to get airborne.

When people on this forum speak of using volunteers and doing things for free it sounds quite lovely. In fact, when we have approached people asking for help 4 out of 5 "volunteers" can either offer no more than an hour or two a day and require constant feedback and supervision or they tell us to ask for help again when we can pay them. Many people have mentioned computer equipment that is so much better than what we have and they will hook us up with but when we have requested that they email or call us with further information there is rarely a response.
 
volunteers

Having worked for many non-profits, I can tell you it's difficult to get skilled people to work for free. It's even harder to find people who don't flake, and save you more time than they eat up in supervision.
 
By all means, be frustrated with me Mckarnin. I don't mind, and you should be because I'm not being fair. But understand the fundamental difference in approach I am talking about.

With legal matters it is often the case that full disclosure is not possible before a settlement has been reached. That is our current situation.

I've never heard of litigation involving SOME disclosure. Full disclosure is not what we are asking for. Any disclosure would be better than: "We need lawyers. Halp!"

We have made many, many changes already based on customer feedback via emails and based on feedback we received in this forum and on Daily Paul. If we were operating just like a company I would not have spent days answering hundreds of emails in this forum and at Daily Paul from people who often had not only not sponsored the blimp but who were adamantly against it. From the start we have made ourselves answerable to our customers in every way possible and encountered assaults on our honor, our characters and our professional abilities at every turn.

I'm glad you have made many changes. And I'm glad you put up with bullcrap from people like me.

But you missed my point. The structure is wrong. Listing us as "customers" is not going to jive with the movement, and its not going to get me to donate.

Technically thats what we are. Call us that if you want, but treat us as if we are a part of a democratic organization where we have a vote on the major issues.

So long as this is your project, we cannot help you. Thats not how the movement behaves. If instead you post the problems here, we will solve them for you.

At some point additional feedback is no longer expressing anything new but mere repetition of what we have heard repeatedly. 2/3rds of the emails we have received are re-iterations of the same 5 themes and we have answered those questions ad nauseam. People rarely bother to research the information we have already put out there before asking us questions.

There's nothing to research on many of the issues. Your team(not necessarily you) made a mistake. We were not consulted on what the banners should say, ever. We were not given the reasons why the banners said what they did(the for profit advertising model) until after they were decided.

What, did you think us incompetent? Are we incapable of working within legal constraints the way you have?

Instead of organizing and running the world, why not simply direct our fury and pretend you did it to the rest of the world?

Please understand that we are working hard and have been effective in achieving our goals, the largest of which was getting the blimp funded enough to get airborne.

I understand that fully, and I appreciate it.

But I made a post describing, quite reasonably, the mistakes that had been made, what needed to be changed for me to donate. A few people agreed with me and then it was ignored.

But the complaints are still there. And I am far from the only one. As long as the internal model you base the structure around is flawed, they will keep coming up, and we will keep being pissed.

The outside world needs to perceive you as an advertising agency that people can buy in to. Thats fine, we are more than capable of working within those constraints.

But WE need to perceive you as a part of the movement. Direct our fury and seek our consult, and the movement will carry through for you, I guarantee it.

When people on this forum speak of using volunteers and doing things for free it sounds quite lovely. In fact, when we have approached people asking for help 4 out of 5 "volunteers" can either offer no more than an hour or two a day and require constant feedback and supervision or they tell us to ask for help again when we can pay them. Many people have mentioned computer equipment that is so much better than what we have and they will hook us up with but when we have requested that they email or call us with further information there is rarely a response.

I understand that. Its not easy. But I think you went about it the wrong way. Try this:
Post the constraints, problems, and goals to us. We will solve them, with our bare hands if we have to. You have 5 people trying to solve hundreds of problems. We have thousands of minds with hundreds of thousands of dollars of resources. INVOLVE us and we WILL deliver.
Like I mentioned, the blimpographer could easily be nixed, hundreds of non-blimpographers have attempted(and gotten) videos of the blimp that outnumber the blimpographer's productions. The capability to track the blimp via GPS is already present on the web. The MOST you would have to do is feed live coordinates in text form to a page on the website.

One of the supporters, just like RonPaulGraphs or PaulCash.slact would grab that data and make it into something fantastic. And it would cost you $300 for the GPS device and another $200 to get it to the server every 5 minutes.

I swear to you, if you are perceived as a part of the movement, we will come through for you. We did before- You needed 120,000 dollars in roughly 2.5 days. And we did it, just like we brought fourth the tea party. Some of us did it begrudgingly because of how things were being decided.

I'm sure you have thousands of problems to solve on a daily basis. Post anything major, and we will deliver.

Don't, and you'll just have to hope we band together for operation bail out the blimp round 2.
 
By all means, be frustrated with me Mckarnin. I don't mind, and you should be because I'm not being fair. But understand the fundamental difference in approach I am talking about.



I've never heard of litigation involving SOME disclosure. Full disclosure is not what we are asking for. Any disclosure would be better than: "We need lawyers. Halp!"



I'm glad you have made many changes. And I'm glad you put up with bullcrap from people like me.

But you missed my point. The structure is wrong. Listing us as "customers" is not going to jive with the movement, and its not going to get me to donate.

Technically thats what we are. Call us that if you want, but treat us as if we are a part of a democratic organization where we have a vote on the major issues.

So long as this is your project, we cannot help you. Thats not how the movement behaves. If instead you post the problems here, we will solve them for you.



There's nothing to research on many of the issues. Your team(not necessarily you) made a mistake. We were not consulted on what the banners should say, ever. We were not given the reasons why the banners said what they did(the for profit advertising model) until after they were decided.

What, did you think us incompetent? Are we incapable of working within legal constraints the way you have?

Instead of organizing and running the world, why not simply direct our fury and pretend you did it to the rest of the world?



I understand that fully, and I appreciate it.

But I made a post describing, quite reasonably, the mistakes that had been made, what needed to be changed for me to donate. A few people agreed with me and then it was ignored.

But the complaints are still there. And I am far from the only one. As long as the internal model you base the structure around is flawed, they will keep coming up, and we will keep being pissed.

The outside world needs to perceive you as an advertising agency that people can buy in to. Thats fine, we are more than capable of working within those constraints.

But WE need to perceive you as a part of the movement. Direct our fury and seek our consult, and the movement will carry through for you, I guarantee it.



I understand that. Its not easy. But I think you went about it the wrong way. Try this:
Post the constraints, problems, and goals to us. We will solve them, with our bare hands if we have to. You have 5 people trying to solve hundreds of problems. We have thousands of minds with hundreds of thousands of dollars of resources. INVOLVE us and we WILL deliver.
Like I mentioned, the blimpographer could easily be nixed, hundreds of non-blimpographers have attempted(and gotten) videos of the blimp that outnumber the blimpographer's productions. The capability to track the blimp via GPS is already present on the web. The MOST you would have to do is feed live coordinates in text form to a page on the website.

One of the supporters, just like RonPaulGraphs or PaulCash.slact would grab that data and make it into something fantastic. And it would cost you $300 for the GPS device and another $200 to get it to the server every 5 minutes.

I swear to you, if you are perceived as a part of the movement, we will come through for you. We did before- You needed 120,000 dollars in roughly 2.5 days. And we did it, just like we brought fourth the tea party. Some of us did it begrudgingly because of how things were being decided.

I'm sure you have thousands of problems to solve on a daily basis. Post anything major, and we will deliver.

Don't, and you'll just have to hope we band together for operation bail out the blimp round 2.


I appreciate your thoughtful response to my post. I understand that there are things we could be doing better. We will work towards implementing them in the days and weeks to come. While I can't go into details, suffice it to say that the need for a lawyer is closely tied to something that has been a huge time and energy drain on the project for the last 2 weeks.
 
McKarein, I'm a lawyer in Texas. While I don'tknow if I can help, I just sent you a pm through this forum with my contact information.
 
To bad Warron Zevon has passed on. He had a song with the line "Send lawyers, guns and money!" which seems to fit the Liberty Advertising situation pretty well.

Good luck and safe flying!
 
Amateurs...

If you did this right, the people with the connections could of gotten this whole project flying MUCH HIGHER.

Legal Council

Marketing Depts/companies

Media experts


But the trust was put in people that learn as they go... and that doesn't work with TIME LINES and CANDIDACIES!

Next time... reach out to everyone... let the people most qualified do the job... and remember, volunteers don't necessarily equal success. Advertise for the professionals to do it!

IMMEDIATE Actions:

Reach Out for a LEGAL TEAM to donate their services...

REACH Out for donations around the country, not just on the RP forum...

REACH OUT for Professionals, no EGO amateurs to run the show.

GET A MARKETING COMPANY and/or PROFESSIONALS for ADVISE/Operations.

SHEESH, Done this a gazillion times... simple

So... GET BLIMP HELP ASAP!
 
If you did this right, the people with the connections could of gotten this whole project flying MUCH HIGHER.

Legal Council

Marketing Depts/companies

Media experts


But the trust was put in people that learn as they go... and that doesn't work with TIME LINES and CANDIDACIES!

Next time... reach out to everyone... let the people most qualified do the job... and remember, volunteers don't necessarily equal success. Advertise for the professionals to do it!

IMMEDIATE Actions:

Reach Out for a LEGAL TEAM to donate their services...

REACH Out for donations around the country, not just on the RP forum...

REACH OUT for Professionals, no EGO amateurs to run the show.

GET A MARKETING COMPANY and/or PROFESSIONALS for ADVISE/Operations.

SHEESH, Done this a gazillion times... simple

So... GET BLIMP HELP ASAP!

See thats the thing though... They think they did. But I never saw the problems listed for us to help solve.
 
Why we had to guess ? What's happen with transparency ? Can't the spend 5-10 minutes to explain to forumers ? 240 K isn't their money, after all. Damn. I really hate to complain. But those blimp organizers have a serious issue with upfront and straight forward talking.

Is it 240 or 270k? Previously, they were counting wire transfers separately.
 
We have reached out and asked for help with our problems from the demographic that we need help from right now, lawyers. As soon as we are ready for more help with ideas like promotions, rallying and user friendliness (probably in a few days) we'll ask everyone. Thanks!

I know, its the biggest project ever, and will go down in History .

I was kind of impressed too, when I thought grass roots was doing it.
 
Wait, the legal team is listed on the site again! And that would be the end of my questioning, but someone else pointed out they were asking for legal help for the blimp on the tea party email in this thread, which I can't really understand if they have a whole team of lawyers.

How many lawyers does it take to keep a blimp up in the air anyway? Lol! Geeze. Man.
 
trademarks? incorporating? yay, speculation

..not looking for anything from the blimp team. Rampant speculation would be nice though.
 
They don't need lawyers anyway. Anything the FEC tries to do will happen after the election. At that point who cares?
 
IMHO, the Blimp team has done a fantastic job coming up with a novel publicity stunt, raising funds, getting cooperation from industry, and doing the work to get the blimp off the ground. The Blimp has already been cited dozens of times in the few articles I've read and scenes from TV news I've seen in the past week or so and will continue to be an icon of our strength. If it stays in the air, that is.

And yes, I know of the fraudulent sites out there trying to gain money by luring donors. You can do a WHOIS ( http://www.whois.corenic.net/query.jsf ) on ronpaulblimp.com, you can ask folks organizing major events. I'm not convinced of any seedy or neglectful actions taken by the Blimp team that could harm the campaign.

I'm behind them 100%. We need to keep this project alive!
 
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