What happened to Ron Paul racing?

I'm curious, are any of the committee members taking compensation for their time out of the fund, if so how much?
 
Cowlesy said:
So, what you are saying is that at no point-in-time on the RonPaulRacing.com site, when someone clicked donate, none of that money went to Ron Conrad.

That the $30some thousand that was listed at one point on that site, none of that went to Ron Conrad?
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I think there's a misunderstanding.

All funds donated via PayPal went to Ron Conrad personally. Liberty Racing PAC (LRC) doesn't know how much Ron collected via PayPal.

All funds donated via Google Checkout went to Liberty Racing PAC. We are 100% sure of how much was raised via Google Checkout. I will ask our Treasurer to post the exact figure on the new website at www.RonPaulRacing.org.

The "tote board" figure (which maxed out at just over $25,000 I believe) was based on a figure that Ron told us he collected, PLUS the amount Liberty Racing PAC collected via Google Checkout.

We are not now in a position to vouch for the accuracy of that "tote board" figure.

Kathleen Hanover
Communications Director
Liberty Racing PAC
www.libertyracingpac.org
www.RonPaulRacing.org
media [at] ronpaulracing.org
(937) 275-2235
 
Mark said:
Why would anyone buy "RonPaulBlimp.com" way back on June 14th of last year

if they didn't plan on asking people for hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even millions long term, to rent one?

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Registrant:
Trevor Lyman
650 Pennsylvania Ave
#25
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)

Domain Name: RONPAULBLIMP.COM

Created on: 14-Jun-07

Expires on: 15-Jun-08


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Meh... I've reserved domain names for odd "ideas" that never went anywhere. Reserving a domain name is a cheap (and very easy) thing to do for those of us who know how.

So if Trevor thought it was a neat idea (and who knows, maybe it was a DIFFERENT idea -- selling small blimps? Selling rides on a Ron Paul Blimp, who knows?) so he spent a $5 and reserved the domain (and I think GoDaddy is even cheaper than $5 -- so it's not like he was investing a lot of cash or anything).




BTW, as illustration of that, after talking with a friend and fellow Ron Paul supporter and brainstorming on the phone one night bouncing a bunch of REALLY "oddball ideas" around -- I went and reserved the "infiniteronpaul.com" domain name (cost me $4 Woohoo!) -- and the initial idea (some kind of odd take on the "InfiniteCat" meme -- you know take a picture of yourself with your Ron Paul sign/banner/bumper sticker while holding a picture of someone else doing the same (which picture contains THEM holding a picture of someone holding a picture... ad infinitum)... yeah I know, sounds lame, but I was drinking, and it sounded like a FUN thing to do... so THAT was what made me spend the couple bucks to reserve that domain name.


A month or so later, we came up with the sticker idea, and the http://www.infiniteronpaul.com website was launched as a "Download Free PDF of Ron Paul stickers" website.


Similarly with the Man Of Common Sense website... over a month earlier I had reserved TWO other similar domain names http://www.dayofcommonsense.com AND http://www.dayforcommonsense.com -- when we initially came up with the idea for doing a "Common Sense" themed grassroots campaign site (BTW both those domains ARE active and point to the MoCS site now).

Now the eventual site and the eventual flyer ended up being SIGNIFICANTLY different than the original concept... hence the additional main domain name... does that mean *I* has something nefarious planned? I did, after all reserve those domain names SEVERAL weeks in advance of the site launch. (And BTW, on the MoCS and InfiniteRonPaul websites, I don't even require ANY information from the users. The ONLY piece of information I collect is the IP number so I can geocode a "rough" location on the map to show the spread of the meme.)

Truth of the matter is that domain names are CHEAP -- as long as you grab them quick right after you think of them... if you WAIT they can cost you dearly. And most web developers I know have a whole collection of domain names for ideas that never amount to anything (so sometimes you let them go a year later or whatever...) -- but a domain name is a $1 ticket in a Million dollar lottery.


So THAT is not evidence of fraud or anything other than that he had the idea several months before it was implemented.

Is THAT really that surprising or shocking?


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Fucking drama cocks. Ship them back to kindergarten.

If Ron Conrad steals other people's money just like that, then sue the shit out of him till he realizes money doesn't define a person, but one's character does.
 
Cowlesy said:
So, what you are saying is that at no point-in-time on the RonPaulRacing.com site, when someone clicked donate, none of that money went to Ron Conrad.

That the $30some thousand that was listed at one point on that site, none of that went to Ron Conrad?

If you guys can do a basic accounting for the $30k in donations that we saw on the RonPaulRacing.com website, that will go a long way to restoring credibility. I want you guys to succeed but I've seen some Trevor-bashing that was 1000% unprofessional by a site that plugged RonPaulRacing, and zero accountability for any money so far.

Until you guys do a hardcore ironing out of items, you can pretty much be certain there won't be any money coming in from here.

That's just business.
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No, that isn't what I said... first of all, we never got close to $30,000, and that was never reflected on any website.

Secondly, my point was that prior to Liberty Racing PAC's existence, Ron Conrad collected money on his own, via paypal. I don't know where that money is, nor does anyone else at Liberty Racing PAC, to my knowledge. Ron Conrad alone knows what is up with that money. We cannot do an accounting for Ron Conrad's money any more than we can do an accounting of your money or Bradley in DC's money or anyone else's money. :p What Ron Conrad collected on his own via his personal paypal is not something we (Liberty Racing PAC) have any control over.

What we can do is an accounting of the money collected by Liberty Racing PAC. In fact, I feel quite confident in saying that the money collected by LRP has been stewarded in a way that meets the highest standards of book-keeping by our Treasurer, Mike Simon.
 
Anyone who donated to him via PayPal should file a complaint with PayPal and let them freeze his bank account, if he still has the account open.

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mdh said:
No, that isn't what I said... first of all, we never got close to $30,000, and that was never reflected on any website.

Secondly, my point was that prior to Liberty Racing PAC's existence, Ron Conrad collected money on his own, via paypal. I don't know where that money is, nor does anyone else at Liberty Racing PAC, to my knowledge. Ron Conrad alone knows what is up with that money. We cannot do an accounting for Ron Conrad's money any more than we can do an accounting of your money or Bradley in DC's money or anyone else's money. :p What Ron Conrad collected on his own via his personal paypal is not something we (Liberty Racing PAC) have any control over.

What we can do is an accounting of the money collected by Liberty Racing PAC. In fact, I feel quite confident in saying that the money collected by LRP has been stewarded in a way that meets the highest standards of book-keeping by our Treasurer, Mike Simon.
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This is very confusing, but appreciated. Could you please provide the date in which LRP received their first payment from someone who wasn't connected with LRP? Thanks.
 
I always told people to donate to the official campaign above all else. All I got was "The campaign is inept, grassroots efforts are better."

And now we've seen, on many many occaisions, things got fucked up and money was lost.

At least the money we sent to HQ got spent on Ron Paul.

Shame no one listened...
 
pacelli said:
This is very confusing, but appreciated. Could you please provide the date in which LRP received their first payment from someone who wasn't connected with LRP? Thanks.
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I don't know myself off-hand. I can say that google checkout was *all* to the PAC, and *none* of money sent via paypal was. If you'd like more exact numbers and dates, I'd ask that you contact our treasurer, Mike Simon, by emailing [email protected]. He can furnish those details in a way that is definitly correct rather than me saying something and risking getting it wrong.
 
jrich4rpaul said:
I always told people to donate to the official campaign above all else. All I got was "The campaign is inept, grassroots efforts are better."

And now we've seen, on many many occaisions, things got fucked up and money was lost.

At least the money we sent to HQ got spent on Ron Paul.

Shame no one listened...
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Well, I can say with absolute certainty that no one in any effort I've been involved with received the sort of humongous six figure salaries that certain people within the campaign did. Heck, in any of the stuff I've been involved with, no one has ever even received anything near the $500/week (which amounts to about $25,000/year) that the blimp folks took. The simple fact is that I've never heard of anyone getting rich off the grassroots, even if some folks have gotten paid a bit. People within the official campaign *have* gotten rich off of your contributions.

By the way, how come the campaign never hooked up a NASCAR sponsorship or a blimp on their own? How come they've chosen to give up having dedicated staff in WV, where the primary has not yet occured, and the office they had here which, due to location, was tremendously valuable?
 
Kathleen_Hanover said:
I think there's a misunderstanding.

All funds donated via PayPal went to Ron Conrad personally. Liberty Racing PAC (LRC) doesn't know how much Ron collected via PayPal.

All funds donated via Google Checkout went to Liberty Racing PAC. We are 100% sure of how much was raised via Google Checkout. I will ask our Treasurer to post the exact figure on the new website at www.RonPaulRacing.org.

The "tote board" figure (which maxed out at just over $25,000 I believe) was based on a figure that Ron told us he collected, PLUS the amount Liberty Racing PAC collected via Google Checkout.

We are not now in a position to vouch for the accuracy of that "tote board" figure.

Kathleen Hanover
Communications Director
Liberty Racing PAC
www.libertyracingpac.org
www.RonPaulRacing.org
media [at] ronpaulracing.org
(937) 275-2235
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Thanks.

So if you estimate that there was approximately $25,000 on the "tote board" figure, less gross collections by Liberty Racing PAC which your treasurer can vouch, then the difference would be what Ron Conrad collected through Paypal.

There's 2 bank accounts here and one "tote board" figure of around $25,000 --- I think that is plenty to provide an estimate of how much went to Conrad, how much went to Liberty Racing PAC.

Am I over-simplifying this somehow?
 
Cowlesy said:
There's 2 bank accounts here and one "tote board" figure of around $25,000 --- I think that is plenty to provide an estimate of how much went to Conrad, how much went to Liberty Racing PAC.

Am I over-simplifying this somehow?
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My understanding of what was said earlier is that Ron Conrad was responsible for the tote board, as well. It's *possible* that he may have been going "One for me, one for the tote", so the accuracy of such a divination of how much money he collected could be viewed as an estimate, at best.

We need dates on when the first donation was made via paypal, and when was the last donation to paypal/the first donation to google (*IF* they are the same day).

Anyone that donated via Paypal needs to press paypal for disclosure of donations made to Ron Conrad's paypal account during that period. How much, and whom. Those people need to be contacted so that they can pursue their money, and have it reallocated to Liberty Racing PAC (or refunded). Paypal may freeze an account, but I can't imagine them giving donor info unless someone files for disclosure as part of a suit.
 
If you gave money to Ron Conrad and want it back, it's a pretty simple matter, if you used a credit card, do a chargeback. If you used your paypal balance, you may be screwed.
 
Suzu said:
If you gave money to Ron Conrad and want it back, it's a pretty simple matter, if you used a credit card, do a chargeback. If you used your paypal balance, you may be screwed.
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I dont know the racing people at all and did not give to them. But I would like to add to the chargeback route. Please dont do that first unless you feel this is a complete scam. I have not seen proof of that. Mostly bad communication and speculation.

If you chargeback it will damage their account for whatever payments they are taking. THey might get their account seized or frozen.

I would check with your bank to see when the chargeback must be filed by. I think it is 45 or 60 days or something like that.

Email the people involved. Try to get a resolution.

Then chargeback as needed by the date.
 
FOR mdh:

Before I would even think about joining such a screwed up effort some of this baggage needs to be resolved. After-which I would be more than happy to.

ADDITIONALLY:

I was in contact with the Newman family yesterday and they are forwarding the idea to those that need to receive it. There were some mixed feelings on the whole idea but I am sure things can be worked out overall.

Also regarding money collected and expenditures. BOTH should be published at least once a week by the treasurer on the website for the public or just donors to view. If you look at: http://www.lpintermodal.tk/ you can see via the link at the bottom that it is easy to post individual donors and the amounts given even if the donation was offline. Additionally you can link to a simple spreadsheet for expenditures that you can post on Google Docs or your own hosting site.
 
Fyi

The very first donation to LibertyRacingPAc was on 02-10-2008 for $100.00, We also collected a total of $13,336.83 in donations to our Google acct. All Monies Are and will be accounted for, down to the last cent. We also never accepted any funds From Mr. Conrad. He Gave us a estimate of around 10k he said he had collected. That is where the Tote board started, at the figure he gave the Web Master..Anyone donating Prior to 02-10-2008 Donated to RC...Also he tried to transfer a total of .....Date Payment Sent: Feb. 21, 2008

Amount: $2,863.56 USD He also had put in the message when he sent these funds to LRP stipulations, that LRP assumed all responsibility for him. That is why ( I refused them ).:mad:...Hope this answers most of your ?.. I am in the process of filing my 1st report with the FEC, and all figures will be posted at that time....:)
 
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