What country should I move to?

[kushaze]

Alright I am not giving up on the campaign, but I am seriously thinking of moving to another country. Maybe a 3rd world country (maybe one of those hasn't been completely corrupted yet). I don't know. If America, or at least New Hampshire (the Live Free or Die state), is stupid enought to elect Hillary Clinton and John McCain maybe its time to get out. I was actually considering moving out of the country before Ron Paul came along, but that has been temporarily suspended at this moment.

I don't know if we can save the mindless zombies of this country anymore. I am really thinking about leaving. Does anyone have any suggestions to what country would be best to move to? And does anyone have any information and how easy it is to move there? (After doing research I have found out that its almost impossible to permanently immigrate to many countries legally). All information would be a great help.

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

You Should not move anywhere. We have had 3 primary's 3! Stop this non-sense! Lets spread the message of freedom! That is the most important thing right now.. regardless if Ron Paul wins or not. The more people who know what freedom really is.. The better off we are.

 

[kushaze]

You Should not move anywhere. We have had 3 primary's 3! Stop this non-sense! Lets spread the message of freedom! That is the most important thing right now.. regardless if Ron Paul wins or not. The more people who know what freedom really is.. The better off we are.

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

 

[Registered]

Not anywhere in North America. Think small european country.

 

[kushaze]

Not anywhere in North America. Think small european country.

Switzerland seemed descent until I found out that they were taking away everyones guns. Its also very hard to move to Switzerland. Any specific country in Europe that you know about?

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

Hate to break it to ya bub, but most people in any country are mindless zombies.

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

Tell me... if you run. Where will you go that the nwo wont control? This country is the leader in freedom sadly (in the world). If we don't do something to awaken as many as possible to this freedom.... There will be no place on earth to hide. The armies of the nwo will conquer all who oppose it.

The plan B I have is to be free. Though it may take... a lot of work. It is unfortunate that the united states got so powerful.... but now this country will decide the fate of the world. But yes you do have a right to decide weather or not to leave or stay. If you leave.. it will come back to you one day. Ultimately it is your choice. Good luck to you.

Let us Hope Ron Paul Wins.

Maybe Switzerland or a Norwegian country.. I hear they are nice.

"Lost time is never found again." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[Matt Collins]

The US is still the most free land in the world. Amazing considering how badly our liberties are being trampled upon. Most everywhere else is some flavor of socialism.

 

[Give me liberty]

I love italy.

 

[JonH]

You should Move to the United Stated of America. In order for the revolution to succeed, we need all the help we can get. To leave for another country is to concede your power to those who seek to dominate other men.

If you must leave, please, at least wait until after our empire collapses under its own weight.

 

[Bungamunji]

I'm in the same boat as you. From reading and some online searches, I've been looking at mostly small European countries (Netherlands, Norway, etc.) and maybe Australia. I'm still looking though. A good thing to look at for finding information about countries is Wikipedia. It's really useful.

For me it's not just that the people are mindless zombies, which I think is true. Its the whole culture. I don't like American culture. There is too much fear, apathy, materialism, bull^%$ and hypocrisy for me to handle. I can't ignore it and I can't help but be bothered by it. I know all that stuff doesn't go away when you go to another country, but there are places far better than the U.S. in those departments.

Good luck in your quest.

 

[shaunish]

new zealand

 

[kushaze]

Maybe I should move to another planet. If the United States is the best thing that the world has to offer and the United States votes for people like Hillary and McCain, I should probably think about looking into space exploration.

 

[jstmike]

Be careful where you move hasn't already been exposed to Depleted Uranium. If you don't know about DU then google Depleted Uranium. Be sure to click on the Images section. Enjoy.

 

[Rich333]

No need to move. There's no place to go anyway, but don't let the current situation get you down. The worst thing that could happen to this country is a renewal of hope and faith in the system among the liberty-minded. Classical liberals and libertarians have been playing politics for centuries and it's resulted in nothing but an exponential growth in the size and scope of government. The system has never been workable. The constitution is just a piece of paper. As Lysander Spooner once wrote, "it has either authorized such a government as we have had or has been powerless to prevent it; in either case it is unfit to exist." Beyond that, it's a fraud; you can't claim consent of the governed without unanimous consent, otherwise it's just the strong ruling the weak, just as in any other system of oppression. Trying to implement "good government" is like trying to stop rape by raping people "gently". Liberty and government are mutually exclusive, and you can't get rid of government with government. Liberty can only exist within the free market, and so only the market can provide for the end of political slavery. The solution is agorism. Ignore bad laws, do whatever you can to work around the system, to disrupt the system, to bring down the system, from without. Make use of the counter-economy, peaceful black and grey markets, do whatever you can to deny the state the fruits of your labor while living as freely as you're willing to risk, and encourage others to do the same, educating them in the philosophy of liberty. As Robert Heinlein once wrote, "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." Live free.

 

[lucius]

PM Joenaab, South Brazil is very nice! I was down there in November.

 

[Mithridates]

For those concerned with press freedom, the countries above the US are the following (US is 48th):

(sorry about all the numbers but I'm too lazy to take them all out)

1 Flag of Iceland Iceland 0.75 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
1 Flag of Norway Norway 0.75 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
3 Flag of Estonia Estonia 1.00 2.00 1.50 2.00 2.50
3 Flag of Slovakia Slovakia 1.00 2.50 0.75 0.50 2.50
5 Flag of Belgium Belgium 1.50 4.00 4.00 4.00 1.17 3.50
5 Flag of Finland Finland 1.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
5 Flag of Sweden Sweden 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50
8 Flag of Denmark Denmark 2.00 5.00 0.50 0.50 1.00 3.00
8 Flag of Ireland Ireland 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 2.83 1.00
8 Flag of Portugal Portugal 2.00 3.00 4.83 4.50 5.17 1.50
11 Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 3.00 2.50 0.50 0.50 2.50 4.25
12 Flag of Latvia Latvia 3.50 3.00 2.50 1.00 2.25
12 Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands 3.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
14 Flag of the Czech Republic Czech Republic 4.00 0.75 1.00 3.50 2.50 11.25
15 Flag of New Zealand New Zealand 4.17 5.00 2.00 0.67 2.83
16 Flag of Austria Austria 4.25 4.50 2.50 3.25 2.75 7.50
17 Flag of Hungary Hungary 4.50 3.00 2.00 6.00 3.33 6.50
18 Flag of Canada Canada 4.88 4.50 4.50 3.33 1.83 0.75
19 Flag of Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago 5.00 5.00 2.00 2.00 1.00
20 Flag of Germany Germany 5.75 5.50 4.00 2.00 1.33 1.50
21 Flag of Costa Rica Costa Rica 6.50 6.67 8.50 7.63 3.83 4.25
21 Flag of Slovenia Slovenia 6.50 3.00 1.00 2.25 3.00 4.00
23 Flag of Lithuania Lithuania 7.00 6.50 4.50 3.00 2.83
24 Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom 8.25 6.50 5.17 6.00 4.25 6.00
25 Flag of Mauritius Mauritius 8.50 8.00 7.50 10.50 7.25 9.50
25 Flag of Namibia Namibia 8.50 6.00 5.50 10.00 11.00 8.00
27 Flag of Jamaica Jamaica 8.63 5.50 7.50 4.17 3.33
28 Flag of Australia Australia 8.79 9.00 6.50 9.50 9.25 3.50
29 Flag of Ghana Ghana 9.00 8.50 15.00 13.50 8.75 23.00
30 Flag of Greece Greece 9.25 8.00 4.00 7.00 6.00 5.00
31 Flag of France France 9.75 9.00 6.25 3.50 4.17 3.25
32 Flag of the Republic of China Republic of China (Taiwan) 10.00 10.50 12.25 14.25 12.00 9.00
33 Flag of Spain Spain 10.25 10.00 8.33 9.00 7.67 7.75
34 Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina 11.17 5.00 7.00 3.67 6.83 12.50
35 Flag of Italy Italy 11.25 9.90 8.67 9.00 9.75 11.00
36 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia Republic of Macedonia 11.50 11.50 8.75 11.25 9.67
37 Flag of Japan Japan 11.75 12.50 8.00 10.00 8.00 7.50
37 Flag of Uruguay Uruguay 11.75 13.75 9.75 10.00 4.00 6.00
Flag of Grenada Grenada 12.00
39 Flag of Chile Chile 12.13 11.63 11.75 10.00 6.83 6.50
39 Flag of South Korea South Korea 12.13 7.75 7.50 11.13 9.17 10.50
41 Flag of Croatia Croatia 12.50 13.00 12.83 11.83 16.50 8.75
42 Flag of Romania Romania 12.75 14.00 16.17 17.83 11.50 13.25
43 Flag of South Africa South Africa 13.00 11.25 6.50 5.00 3.33 7.50
44 Flag of Israel Israel (Israeli territory) 13.25 12.00 10.00 8.00 8.00 30.00
45 Flag of Cape Verde Cape Verde 14.00 11.50 6.00 8.75 8.25 13.75
45 Flag of Cyprus Cyprus 14.00 7.50 5.50 22.00 20.83 pre-2005 data included Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
47 Flag of Nicaragua Nicaragua



Of course, it's probably more worthwhile to work on press freedom at home. The Daily Show is an amazing example of how one can get past all the tripe you usually find on 24-hour news networks. More of that type of thing would be great.

 

[Young_Apprentice]

I've been to all of the countries in North and Central America as well as most of the countries in Europe. Bad as it may be here, it's far better than anywhere else. In Latin America corruption is rampant. In Europe the taxes are huge, the government is huge and inalienable rights are few.

 

[kiss]

5 Flag of Sweden Sweden 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50

I have no idea where you got those figures. Swedish TV-media is dominated by a government owned network (svt) that barfs leftist propaganda all day long. A private network (TV4) was fined several times by the swedish fcc for airing... *drumroll* ...Oprah!

 

[VIDEODROME]

I come to this thread with a similar question. I'm thinking of moving to escape the American Depression or a possible Draft. Depending on where I go I may have to give away my guns but this move is mostly motivated by the plummeting economy.

I'm thinking about Canada and Australia. I wonder if anyone has advice on immigrating here to other countries for economic reasons and avoiding a Dollar collapse.

I also want to add though that if I did this and also have enough disposable income I would send money back to pro-freedom groups in America and still help fight the corruption.

I'm also voting next week and Michigan and would stick around during the Primaries. I'm not giving up until the Primary is over but I'm concerned enough to think about putting together a Plan B.