What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and libertarians?

[asimplegirl]

Some, yes, however there also appear to be a number of others who claim to be anti-state and pro-liberty, but refuse to respect others individual liberty. These people are called HYPOCRITES.

Have you ever visited TeamSarah?

I was a member there for a while, as I felt she was interesting... well, their numbers have dropped by over 20,000... know why? They banned almost everyone that believed in individual rights. I know. I became friends with a few people from there, and they created a new site, that allows all of those banned members to come in..they do MUCH more than the original site did, and are much more open minded. BTW, I have been talking to these people about this movement, and they don't think it's that bad. (maybe I can gain us some converts)

So, anyway, the point of this was to tell you that this happens in every movement, within every political party, even with the christian conservatives.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Have you ever visited TeamSarah?

I was a member there for a while, as I felt she was interesting... well, their numbers have dropped by over 20,000... know why? They banned almost everyone that believed in individual rights. I know. I became friends with a few people from there, and they created a new site, that allows all of those banned members to come in..they do MUCH more than the original site did, and are much more open minded. BTW, I have been talking to these people about this movement, and they don't think it's that bad. (maybe I can gain us some converts)

So, anyway, the point of this was to tell you that this happens in every movement, within every political party, even with the christian conservatives.

No wonder you don't pay enough attention to me! You're off playing with republicans!

 

[asimplegirl]

No wonder you don't pay enough attention to me! You're off playing with republicans!

nah, i came here when I left there.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Have you ever visited TeamSarah?

I was a member there for a while, as I felt she was interesting... well, their numbers have dropped by over 20,000... know why? They banned almost everyone that believed in individual rights. I know. I became friends with a few people from there, and they created a new site, that allows all of those banned members to come in..they do MUCH more than the original site did, and are much more open minded. BTW, I have been talking to these people about this movement, and they don't think it's that bad. (maybe I can gain us some converts)

So, anyway, the point of this was to tell you that this happens in every movement, within every political party, even with the christian conservatives.

You supported Sarah Palin?

How about John McCain?

 

[M House]

*cringes* well we all make mistakes....

 

[mediahasyou]

ghemminger is living in his own reality.

 

[asimplegirl]

You supported Sarah Palin?

How about John McCain?

I hated John McCain, but figured he would die soon, and even though she was not awesome, I liked her better than Obama (It came down to, both of them were going to be wrong, which one's wrong would effect my life the most...ended up Obama's gun stance is what would do it, as I have no reason to have my phone tapped, and if I did, they would not find anything, except that I hate my inlaws and talk about recipes alot, and I don't plan on aborting any babies soon, and I am not homosexual, etc..like I said, came down to guns.)... Ron wasn't going to be elected, and I wasn't going to "waste" my vote..It hurt terribly, both hubby and I both were really upset that whole day, as it was going to suck no matter the outcome..

BTW, I never made any calls for her, had a sign, talked about her...none of that, but did join her site to find out a little more about her.

 

[M House]

Should've voted Ron. I voted 3rd party and get to grin at my parents when they complain at dinner about things.

 

[M House]

Anyway no matter what TW says voting for someone you don't like is a pretty big waste.

 

[asimplegirl]

*cringes* well we all make mistakes....

I wonder now...how many people felt exactly like I did...if we would have all voted Ron anyway, forgetting our doubts, would he have won? hmm..

Then again, I am registered republican, and was EXTREMELY republican until earlier this year, when hubby sat down and had a talk about politics with me. ( I voted Bush and Jindal)...I think that I became republican to spite my parents when I was younger, as they are both REALLY liberal (SIL talked dad into voting Mc).

(BTW, my brother's wife is still EXTREMELY republican, and pretty much worships O'Reilly- THATS scary. My brother isn't even registered...feels like it is useless, as no one he likes will ever win. )

Should've voted Ron. I voted 3rd party and get to grin at my parents when they complain at dinner about things

Well, now that I know how things turned out, and 60% of my state voted Mc, yeah, I should have.

Anyway not matter what TW says voting for someone you don't like is a pretty big waste.

Well, like I said, I felt like Sarah was ALRIGHT, and felt Mc would die soon enough. LOL. Still don't see how he even got the nomination.

 

[devil21]

Well, I've been around and I agree with BlackTerrel on this. Looks like he nailed it to me.

Remember this?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=102451&highlight=window

Like I said, it's a two way street. Both sides need to cut each other slack and work together, though I honestly doubt it will ever happen since there are large idealogical gaps. I will admit that many RP supporters, like myself, are critical thinkers and generally find religion to be illogical. Stating such can come off harshly. This is the one topic where I envy Democrats. No bickering and backbiting over religion.

 

[M House]

I wonder now...how many people felt exactly like I did...if we would have all voted Ron anyway, forgetting our doubts, would he have won? hmm..

Then again, I am registered republican, and was EXTREMELY republican until earlier this year, when hubby sat down and had a talk about politics with me. ( I voted Bush and Jindal)...I think that I became republican to spite my parents when I was younger, as they are both REALLY liberal (SIL talked dad into voting Mc).

(BTW, my brother's wife is still EXTREMELY republican, and pretty much worships O'Reilly- THATS scary. My brother isn't even registered...feels like it is useless, as no one he likes will ever win. )



Well, now that I know how things turned out, and 60% of my state voted Mc, yeah, I should have.



Well, like I said, I felt like Sarah was ALRIGHT, and felt Mc would die soon enough. LOL. Still don't see how he even got the nomination.

Yeah it's just a psych out. If you vote for someone you want, what have you lost? It wasn't your fault they didn't win.

 

[asimplegirl]

Yeah it's just a psych out. If you vote for someone you want, what have you lost? It wasn't your fault they didn't win.

But, doe sthat make it any easier?

You know it is going to come down to two people... and both of them are dumb, but one of them will change YOUR life, for the worst more than the other.

Do you vote for the person you wish would win, but know doesn't have a chance in hell, as they are not in the two main spots, do you vote for the one that will impact your life the most in a negative way, or do you vote for the one who will not really change your life at all?

To me, the only choice seemed to be the one that really wouldn't change my life much, for the better or the worst... I don't regret THAT. It just felt crappy to be in that position in the first place.

I will say this, though, the more I am around republicans that support that type, the less I like them, and it is embarrassing above all else to be associated with those folks... I have not been republican myself for awhile, thanks to hubby, but am still registered as such...this will change soon.

 

[M House]

Um what's Obama doing right that McCain wouldn't do? Just pick your best option and vote. Doesn't matter if it's rigged, un-winnable, etc. Um, why wouldn't I vote for someone I wanted to win? Seems like people just make it too fucking hard sometimes.

 

[asimplegirl]

Yeah, we do make it too hard, and I over think things...but that's okay.

I made a choice, and even though now I feel I probably should have just went with my gut, I don't regret it.

 

[M House]

It would only make a difference if more people would've stopped thinking like you did. So yeah you didn't really lose anything either.

 

[asimplegirl]

Well, I have learned that I need to stand up for what I believe is right whether anyone is going to stand with me or not, so I know next time it will be different- for me atlleast.

You guys have shown me that, though.. hubby kept telling me, but I never knew other people believed the way I did. I had never even heard of libertarian until this year..

Thanks ya'll!

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

See thats why I voted for Ron in the election. I can live with my conscience that I didn't have to pick the 'lesser of two evils'. To me, thats like asking 'Which deadly venomous creature do you want to play with? A black mamba or a funnel web?' Both will kill your ass deader then a doornail in less time than it takes to make coffee. Neither have redeeming traits and should be locked into a glass box, never to be opened.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Like I said, it's a two way street. Both sides need to cut each other slack and work together, though I honestly doubt it will ever happen since there are large idealogical gaps. I will admit that many RP supporters, like myself, are critical thinkers and generally find religion to be illogical. Stating such can come off harshly. This is the one topic where I envy Democrats. No bickering and backbiting over religion.

I find it just so odd that you made this statement, since Ron himself is a devout Christian. Does this mean you don't think he is a critical thinker?

 

[Josh_LA]

I find it just so odd that you made this statement, since Ron himself is a devout Christian. Does this mean you don't think he is a critical thinker?

In some respects yes, that's what a principled person is, a person who does not think in situations and circumstances and unconditionally sticks to rules, like a robot who is predictable.

However, Dr. Paul is not a "devout" Christian in the sense he puts God, his faith, or his church above and before people, reason and reality. But if he were, I'd have no problem as long as he's honest about it.