What can we learn quickly from Pat Buchanan`s run for pes.?

[schmeisser]

We cannot avoid some of the supporter smear tactics. All they have to do is open the phone lines (I heard another one on John Gibson tonight) and the truthers put Ron Paul and "inside job" in the same breath.

I think the message we need to get out is that the way the government has Balkanized this country, we are all now becoming members of "fringe groups". Smokers, homeschoolers, obese people, scientologists, the list goes on and on. If you let them continue to do this, soon there will be 3 mainstream Republicans and 3 mainstream Democrats that decide the fate of the country. The fringe needs to recognize that banded together for liberty, we are the majority. What we have in common is that we don't want the government ruling our lives.

That is what is working now - we just need to go viral offline and get the message out before the primaries are decided.

 

[parocks]

I would recommend that RP not use the phrase "peasants with pitchforks"
There was something a little bit too extreme sounding with that phrase. Perhaps undecided voters did not buy into the idea of being a peasant with a pitchfork.
It had a similar flavor to the Dean Scream. Passion is good, but if the media doesn't like you, too much passion will be spun by the media to make you look crazy. I'm guessing it's a fine line. I'd recommend that RP not do or say anything on the night of the NH primary victory to make RP look like a lunatic, or to compare his supporters to peasants. I'd also recommend that RP start thinking now about what he's going to say that night and how he's going to act, etc. etc.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_n8_v17/ai_18668636/pg_1

 

[sparebulb]

I have to wonder whether the most rabid truthers are really non RP operatives.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Correct.

Oh, another thing that they did to Buchanan last time was they found out that he owned some rental property, so they tried to find tenants that would say bad things about him. The only thing they came up with was a guy that said that his toilet backed up and he had to call to get someone to un-slug it. True story!

I remember seeing that story about one of Al Gore's tenants in South Carthage a few years ago but I don't seem to remember a tenant with an over-flowing toilet being linked to Buchanan. I thought it was pretty asinine even though I dislike the entire Gore family a LOT (I lived in Carthage, TN for a number of years and my ex- used to do some work for Al Gore, Sr. occassionally). The entire family (especially Tipper) is NUTS!

 

[Dave Wood]

We can learn that Ron Paul's campaign needs to concentrate HEAVILY on South Carolina. Pat Buchanan won New Hampshire, but lost South Carolina to Bob Dole, and Dole won the nomination, whomever has won South Carolina since 1980 has won the nomination of the Republican party.

Thank You! He is in S.C. today and tomorrow and have you seen or heard one bit of MSM about it?

I went to S.C. for the Thanksgiving holiday and the people there are waiting for him!! No Kidding, they know who he is and want to hear his message.

On James Island (the low country) I saw 9 RP signs along highways, 1 Hillary, and 2 Mitt Romneys.

The only political signs on private property were RP...total less than ten, but loss count.

They are waiting for us...remember, the civil war started with shots fired from FT. SUMPTER in Charleston harbor S.C. They were revolutionaries too....they like us but need more info.

 

[paulitics]

I don't think the 911 truther attacks will hurt him much due to blowback. Most people are skeptical of the governemt, esp when they got caught with their pants down, with "weapons of mass destruction", amnesty, NAU, etc. The govts' approval rating is in the teens. More people have questions about 911 than accept the govt's mockery of investigation spent with a pittance.

I know there is a vocal minority here and elesewhere that wants to throw everyone in a "truther" pit and incinerate them....but you don't represent the majority of agnostics who are silently pissed off, and desire a real investigation. Back when the media, mainly right wing talk shows, were trying to pin him to that, it backfired. The Giuliani debate, where innuendos were made that Paul was blaming America, did not hurt him, it helped him immensely.

The racial endorsements could hurt him however, since this represents hatred towards race, and is truly deplorable. Many of these groups are infiltrated however. I think it it is twisted how some folks here tie the to groups together. Really is. And I think C.H.A.N.G.E and others do a disservice, but they do not represent most people who have questions. I also think dressing up like V for Vendetta and chucking videos on buses appears radical. Stop with the attacks on the majority of those who have questions and don't promote these antics.

 

[Dave Wood]

I don't think the 911 truther attacks will hurt him much due to blowback. Most people are skeptical of the governemt, esp when they got caught with their pants down, with "weapons of mass destruction", amnesty, NAU, etc. The govts' approval rating is in the teens. More people have questions about 911 than accept the govt's mockery of investigation spent with a pittance.

I know there is a vocal minority here and elesewhere that wants to throw everyone in a "truther" pit and incinerate them....but you don't represent the majority of agnostics who are silently pissed off, and desire a real investigation. Back when the media, mainly right wing talk shows, were trying to pin him to that, it backfired. The Giuliani debate, where innuendos were made that Paul was blaming America, did not hurt him, it helped him immensely.

The racial endorsements could hurt him however, since this represents hatred towards race, and is truly deplorable. Many of these groups are infiltrated however. I think it it is twisted how some folks here tie the to groups together. Really is. And I think C.H.A.N.G.E and others do a disservice, but they do not represent most people who have questions. I also think dressing up like V for Vendetta and chucking videos on buses appears radical. Stop with the attacks on the majority of those who have questions and don't promote these antics.

I believe you`re correct. We should find some standard to which most will adhere when it comes to publicly "pushing the cause" That way, we can at least know if we have been infiltrated. If we can have some CODE or NORM...I am not the one to tell people what to do, but, since we are open to these tactics, it would be nice to be able to recognize our own in a crowd of hacks acting against us in RP`S name.

 

[rodent]

I know Pat Buchanan personally and worked on the staff of his national campaign in 2000 (hence my JS4Pat Screen Name) .

Although Pat is NOT a racist - his provacative writings and speeches gave the MSM plenty of ammunition.

Dr. Paul does not come with that kind of baggage. I honestly don't believe this is that big a deal. It won't stick...

I think you underestimate the sort and number of kooks that rally around racism. Here at Columbia University, they had people have a hunger strike because of the noose/swastika incidents. They put up tents on the quad and issued a list of demands for new multicultural studies professors.

These people, while usually liberal, are absolutely and totally afraid of white supremacists. Their thinking stops as soon as they hear the word racism. This is the reason the Minutemen were shouted down here on campus.

You also have to realize that most younger Americans are very strongly brainwashed into the ideas of multiculturalism and they really don't think about the implications of things like the government-intrusive Civil Rights Act of 1964.

If you ignore the racism issues, you are going to throw away the campaign. I'd bet money on it. They've absolutely demonized people who're not sympathizers of multiculturalism, whether they're violent or not. It really makes no sense at all and is just a rallying cry for big government. The sad thing is that these tactics have worked.

 

[Thomas Paine]

One advantage Ron Paul has in this campaign that Pat Buchanan didn't have is that there is no single establishment candidate to compete against. Instead, there are four, maybe five if you include Huckabee, establishment candidates who will divide the field between themselves. This will permit Ron Paul to survive Iowa and win New Hampshire (like Buchanan did against incumbent George Herbert Walker Bush in 1992) and Nevada and Michigan before going on to a good showing in South Carolina.

 

[Flirple]

...Hence, my suggestion -- a minorities4paul.org site. I'll host it and pay bandwidth costs if someone throws up a decent template that I can edit and work with. Alternatively, I'll let whoever runs it edit and make it work. No cost to them, other than their time creating it.

Anyone?

 

[RPTXState]

I think you underestimate the sort and number of kooks that rally around racism. Here at Columbia University, they had people have a hunger strike because of the noose/swastika incidents. They put up tents on the quad and issued a list of demands for new multicultural studies professors.

These people, while usually liberal, are absolutely and totally afraid of white supremacists. Their thinking stops as soon as they hear the word racism. This is the reason the Minutemen were shouted down here on campus.

You also have to realize that most younger Americans are very strongly brainwashed into the ideas of multiculturalism and they really don't think about the implications of things like the government-intrusive Civil Rights Act of 1964.

If you ignore the racism issues, you are going to throw away the campaign. I'd bet money on it. They've absolutely demonized people who're not sympathizers of multiculturalism, whether they're violent or not. It really makes no sense at all and is just a rallying cry for big government. The sad thing is that these tactics have worked.

Most of those "kooks" are prominent in liberal areas and are unattainable votes. Down here in Texas, you would be laughed/shot at for "demanding multi-culturalism".

We had a "empty-holster" protest, where many students carried around empty holsters to protest the gun-free zone on campus. Most of those poeple are either Paul or Thompson supporters (and we're working on the fredheads).

 

[Badger Paul]

Pat can come across as very strident and angry so when people accused him of being a racist (which he is not) people may have believed it whereas RP has such a jovial, aw shucks nature that if someone calls him a racist (which is truly garbage) no one is going to buy it.

 

[JMann]

I have always like PJB but I disagree with his more militant catholic social views and his desire to make policy based on his faith. The cultural war crap was hard to swallow but he was right on so many other issues I could overlook the things I disagreed with him on.

Turns out Pat was right on with his 1992 cultural war convention speech that brought down the house before being picked apart by the media minions. My problem with Pat is that I was pulling for the side that is currently winning the culture war not his or the bible study crowd.