What are we doing here?

[Kacey]

I have been reading allot of post now about McCain and I have to say I am a little shocked.

First lets address the issue of voting for McCain, for some people they are so scared of Obama that they want to vote for McCain, is this illogical or voting for the lesser of two evils? Sure you can make that argument (I am not trying to say they are.), are these people traitors to the cause? No. We can't stand here and say that we are for liberty then trash someone for their feelings. Vote how you want so far as you don't forget what we are doing.

Educate everyone you know, don't come off as pushy, don't try and belittle people, how does that help. All people will do when pushed to a corner is shut down and ignore what you and I are trying to say. Read understand the issues and have a solid rock to stand on when an argument comes up. You need to be able to defend your position. Once you have done this then know resources off the top of you head where they can go and read more. We are in the educational phase of the revolution.

Peace full revolution only comes from education, stay calm, and lead the way.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I have been reading allot of post now about McCain and I have to say I am a little shocked.

First lets address the issue of voting for McCain, for some people they are so scared of Obama that they want to vote for McCain, is this illogical or voting for the lesser of two evils?

It is when the same puppet masters control both, and one has the option of decent third party candidates.

Sure you can make that argument (I am not trying to say they are.), are these people traitors to the cause?

To call them "traitors", would be putting much more significance on the election then neccessary. I don't think they are betraying the movement, I just think their decision is unjustifed. So when they come here preaching "that its really best if McCain wins" I'm going to call them on it. Especially when this topic has been rehased so many times (use the search function) - its annoying

We can't stand here and say that we are for liberty then trash someone for their feelings.

I think saying that people are "trashing their feelings" is a huge overstatement. Everyone can speak their mind here... If someone makes the 100th "I'm voting for McFail and you should too" thread, I'm going to speak my mind no matter if it offends them... If it does offend them, then they are being too sensitive.

 

[mediahasyou]

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

 

[Kacey]

I agree you have just as much of a right to argue with them when they make post, my point was that there is no point in even making the post, and actually as I have been watching them post after I made this one I am starting to get annoyed.

To the McCain guys > Just stop, we know what your point is we disagree now lets focus on real issues here.

To everyone else > Let it go, they are not going to change your mind and you are not going to change theirs, lets get to work now.

 

[Feenix566]

As long as we're touting the virtues of education:

I have been reading allot of post now about McCain and I have to say I am a little shocked.

It's "a lot" not "allot".

It should be "posts" not "post".

First lets address the issue of voting for McCain, for some people they are so scared of Obama that they want to vote for McCain, is this illogical or voting for the lesser of two evils?

These are three sentences. They should be separated by periods, not commas.

Educate everyone you know, don't come off as pushy, don't try and belittle people, how does that help.

These are four sentences. They should be separated by periods. The last one is a question, so it should be ended with a question mark.

All people will do when pushed to a corner is shut down and ignore what you and I are trying to say.

In this case, it should be "you and me". Alsways use the form of "I" that you would use if you were alone.

Read understand the issues and have a solid rock to stand on when an argument comes up.

There should be an "and" between "read" and "understand".

You need to be able to defend your position. Once you have done this then know resources off the top of you head where they can go and read more. We are in the educational phase of the revolution.

Peace full revolution only comes from education, stay calm, and lead the way.

"Peaceful" is one word, not two.

Those are two sentences. There should be a period after "education".


Your whole point is that a person needs to appear to be educated in order to win an argument. It's tough to appear educated when your writing is full of gramatical errors. It's probably not your fault, though. You probably went to a government school. It's entirely possible that your unionized teachers didn't even know correct grammar.

 

[Kacey]

Thanks for adding to the conversation, you are real helpful here.

 

[Feenix566]

Thanks for adding to the conversation, you are real helpful here.

I do what I can

It's constructive criticism.

 

[Kacey]

But do you have anything to add to the meaning of what I typed beyond just the grammar?

 

[muh_roads]

Conservatism will have a brighter future if Obama wins. They will realize compassionate conservatism and the dubya & mccain's of the world are destroying us. If democrats win, we can re-organize and take back in 2010 & beyond. develop a NEW contract for america if you will.

If McCain wins, then the old school goldwater conservatism is dead. plain and simple.

 

[Feenix566]

But do you have anything to add to the meaning of what I typed beyond just the grammar?

Voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't solve anything. People should vote their conscience. Having said that, the only way to cause REAL change is to get involved in the party well before the general election. Vote in the primaries. Volunteer in the primaries. Find local liberty-minded candidates and volunteer for them. If you can't find any, run for office!

Like it or not, you're never going to change the world with your vote in the general presidential election. The media would like you to think you can, but it's a distraction. Real change requires a lot more hard work than that.

So in conclusion, it doesn't matter if you vote for McCain, Barr, or Baldwin.

 

[Theocrat]

Changing For Straight Talk, and Vice Versa

I have been reading allot of post now about McCain and I have to say I am a little shocked.

First lets address the issue of voting for McCain, for some people they are so scared of Obama that they want to vote for McCain, is this illogical or voting for the lesser of two evils? Sure you can make that argument (I am not trying to say they are.), are these people traitors to the cause? No. We can't stand here and say that we are for liberty then trash someone for their feelings. Vote how you want so far as you don't forget what we are doing.

Educate everyone you know, don't come off as pushy, don't try and belittle people, how does that help. All people will do when pushed to a corner is shut down and ignore what you and I are trying to say. Read understand the issues and have a solid rock to stand on when an argument comes up. You need to be able to defend your position. Once you have done this then know resources off the top of you head where they can go and read more. We are in the educational phase of the revolution.

Peace full revolution only comes from education, stay calm, and lead the way.

I must say that I've been shocked by the amount of support for McCain/Palin that has grown here by Ron Paul supporters. Over the last few months, we've become very pragmatic about who should win the Presidency, usually in the sentiments of voting for the lesser of two evils. Quite frankly, I think that's an act of betrayal, for it's only putting an evil person in the White House, while claiming to be a liberty-loving patriot at the same time. McCain and Obama aren't really that different, except maybe for the color of their skin. Both want to increase government in some arena, whether it's an increase in warfare (McCain) or an increase in welfare (Obama).

I recall a time in our revolution where we stood for principle always, even if the statistics and lunatics said we were on a losing ground. We would storm blogs. We would hold community activities and rallies. We would write to the media networks and political parties. We did all of these things with the conviction that principle was better than party, what is right is better than what works, and what a person has done for the cause of liberty is better than what a person merely promises to advance for liberty. Now, we just compromise ourselves and conclude that "McCain is better than Obama because of X," and "Obama is better than McCain because of Y." What's happened to us?

 

[Kacey]

First off, I don't support McPain. I know who I am voting for and I would encourage others to vote third party as well. But what good does it do for us to waist time on people who get the message, even if they vote for him? We should be focused on the people who have not even heard the message. Thats all I am getting at.

 

[Kotin]

sorry but the point is that John McCain and Barack Obama would equally sell you and your family out.


they get their allowances from the same parents.

 

[Feenix566]

We should stop wasting our time and energy worrying about the general presidential election. It doesn't matter. We should be focusing on candidates like BJ Lawson. He has a real shot at winning, and he's on our side. Gaining ground in the Congress one member at a time is the only way we're going to make real progress.

 

[Kacey]

We should stop wasting our time and energy worrying about the general presidential election. It doesn't matter. We should be focusing on candidates like BJ Lawson.

I agree 100% er one hundred percent.

 

[PatriotG]

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Yes sir....

 

[Dary]

Alsways use the form of "I" that you would use if you were alone.

Alsways?

 

[wowabunga]

Educate everyone you know, don't come off as pushy, don't try and belittle people, how does that help.

Yep that's the ticket...!

I've been starting conversations with voters with a question/statement intro where I ask "Who will the loser of this election be" and I immediately follow by saying "That the American people are the losers".

Have yet to find anyone who disagreed. From there the conversation goes about as good as one could expect. I've spent a lot of time on the issues like you suggest and it helps break thru all the half truths they've been fed.

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