What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I think they have the misconception Ron Paul wants all children to be homeschooled and thinks institutional schooling is evilllll. This is why when I eventually have a child he or she will be homeschooled. 1 child classroom. When I was in public school for my pre-college education, it was probably the worst experience of my life going there. It is also the breeding ground of children getting bad influences. I think homeschooling is better because the child is learning directly from someone they can already trust, i've been fed so many lies in public school(not like its much different from private, which would probably push jesus onto me)like the communists being evil (we didn't believe in their form of government, but it doesn't give us an excuse to hate them) and also the justification of us killing lots of indians.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

 

[Jae0]

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

I have a lot of religious friends that were homeschooled. They had plenty of friends because they would go to the park and meet people, their moms would set up playdates, ect.

 

[Australia4Paul]

Ron just wants education freedom. For you to decide how you want your children educated, for there to be competition in education, that the government does not decide where and how your child is educated.

 

[jenn122]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

We have homeschool groups set up in my area...several counties come together and have different activites/clubs for the kids so that can have that interaction. They are also exposed to different things and a huge variety of field trips, etc.

I have met kids who were very sheltered and had no social skills, but that is not the norm anymore.

My kids attend a classical school, that concentrates on teaching from the classics. (my first grader is learning about Justinian and the Byzintyne Empire at the moment!) They are also on a 'university schedule' which means they attend academic classes on M,W,F and do their work at home on T, Th. as well as have music, art classes on thsoe days. That is a great balance for us.

 

[jblosser]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

You need to dive deeper down the rabbit hole, friend. The MSM and government monopoly of ideas doesn't start when people are 30, it starts when they're 5 (or earlier). They took over the education system first and have used it to raise generations that think what they want them to think. Go read up some on the history of this education system. See where it orginated and what it was designed for, before it was implemented here. Then compare it to how Jefferson, Washinton, etc. were educated.

The "social skills" thing is a red herring they indocrinate people with to keep them complacent, same as the ones they use to keep people voting in the two-party system as though it will change anything. There are many, many ways to provide socialization skills to home schooled kids, and they don't involve growing up with the same small group of same-aged children in a fish bowl/jail-like environment with minimal real engaged adult supervision.

 

[cputter]

Home schooled twins for RP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLRVO3M-EE

very cute, very smart, slightly geeky.

So if you wanted to know where home schooled kids get their social interaction from; Youtube!

 

[gracebkr]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

How many of our founders were homeschooled? School is NOT for socialization, it is for education. They only talk about socialization to get parents to think we need them. You can home school and go to activities with your kids so they can interact. I know lots of people who socialized a little too much if you will and didn't even go to school. When school was considered a place for learning only, we placed higher globally, now it is all about prom and we wonder why stds and teen pregnancies is on the rise. They blame it on education of abstinence, I blame it on Paris Hilton and the likes of her. If you love your kids, keep them home. You don't even have a say who they hang out with at school or what they learn. It is lunacy.

 

[jb4ronpaul]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

my experience is the average homeschooled kid is better socialized and interact well with a wide range of ages, including adults.

 

[kg0]

Ron just wants education freedom. For you to decide how you want your children educated, for there to be competition in education, that the government does not decide where and how your child is educated.

That's the thing. It doesn't really matter if some people disagree with homeschooling. It's a right of parents to be able to homeschool their children.

As a homeschooler, I can honestly say I'm better off because of homeschooling and I'm thankful for it. I'm glad there are politicians like Ron Paul who are so supportive of it.

 

[JAlli41]

public schooling for all is an old Aristitillian ideal that many people still believe in, I sort of do too (ideally) however I also know that the federal government has stuck their noses into our education and mucked it all up, I really feel like a lot of the "we'll find out the news so you dont have to," comes directly from attitudes given to our children at the wishes of those in power... so while mainstreem schooling wether it be public or private would likely be ideal, I just cant tell parents youre not allowed to homeschool

 

[stevenstremciuc]

Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

I'm just curious when you were last in high school. I graduated in 2001 from a public high school in AZ, and I agree that getting schooled in today's public schools has an effect on children's social interaction skills. Why anybody would think the effect it has is a good one, or even mostly positive is beyond me.

Public schools in AZ are little more than state funded day care. I think our public schools contribute a great deal to the social retardation that is so evident in youth today. (BTW: The irony of my mentioning bad social behavior on THESE forums does not escape me.)

I highly recommend this book written by a teacher who taught for 30 years in various schools in NY and has won several awards as a teacher: Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

 

[Sandy]

There are groups of home schoolers that bring their kids together once a week for certain activities (like field trips for example) and presentations (such as book reports and speeches) and all. The kids aren't just home schooled, they are engaged in sports, play groups, arts, drama, and you name it just like many other public/private school kids.

Home schooled kids are usually very articulate and mature for their age, and aren't exposed to the crap in public schools with the socialist indoctrination, teasing/bullying, anything goes sex ed, etc.

If I had a kid, I would pull them out of public school so fast my own head would spin. The public schools are being used to create 'global citizens'.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

my experience is the average homeschooled kid is better socialized and interact well with a wide range of ages, including adults.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner here! (actually, you beat me to it)

Our 8 year-old goes to many adult functions and is always the hit of the event. He is polite, articulate, loving and can converse quite well on a variety of subjects. We have had a few people ask us "well, what about socialization" to which I replied "I'm not raising a socialist". We have now taught all three of our children at home and they are all capable of thinking for themselves and have little to no interest in following the lead of their 'so-called' peers.

 

[electronicmaji]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

What if parents don't want their children learning social networking skills?


Any aspie will tell you, social networking skills are not learnt they are existant or none existant. You are born with the ability to socialize or not to socialize, simple as that.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I highly recommend this book written by a teacher who taught for 30 years in various schools in NY and has won several awards as a teacher: Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

To anything written by John Taylor Gatto, I would add Charlotte Taylor Iserbyte's "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" availabe on her website at www.deliberatedumbingdown.com She was very high up in the Dept. of Education under Reagan and became a whistle-blower about what was really happening to our nation's schools and why it was happening. Pretty scary stuff and she backs it all up with documentation.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I'm just curious when you were last in high school. I graduated in 2001 from a public high school in AZ, and I agree that getting schooled in today's public schools has an effect on children's social interaction skills. Why anybody would think the effect it has is a good one, or even mostly positive is beyond me.

Public schools in AZ are little more than state funded day care. I think our public schools contribute a great deal to the social retardation that is so evident in youth today. (BTW: The irony of my mentioning bad social behavior on THESE forums does not escape me.)

I highly recommend this book written by a teacher who taught for 30 years in various schools in NY and has won several awards as a teacher: Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

I said SCHOOL, I didn't say PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you don't want to send your kids to public school, why not send them to a nice, small private school, perhaps?

I guess if you sign them up for boy scouts and do lots of other activities, that can make up for the loss of social interaction. I don't have anything against homeschooling. The only thing I really ever hear about it is that home-schooling is practiced mainly by Christian fundamentalists. Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

 

[stevenstremciuc]

To anything written by John Taylor Gatto, I would add Charlotte Taylor Iserbyte's "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" availabe on her website at www.deliberatedumbingdown.com She was very high up in the Dept. of Education under Reagan and became a whistle-blower about what was really happening to our nation's schools and why it was happening. Pretty scary stuff and she backs it all up with documentation.

Thanks for the book suggestion. It is available as a free download on that site and I look forward to reading it and about it.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I said SCHOOL, I didn't say PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you don't want to send your kids to public school, why not send them to a nice, small private school, perhaps?

I guess if you sign them up for boy scouts and do lots of other activities, that can make up for the loss of social interaction. I don't have anything against homeschooling. The only thing I really ever hear about it is that home-schooling is practiced mainly by Christian fundamentalists. Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

You'd prefer they have a non-religious view imposed on them by someone other than their parents?

Also, social interaction in school situations (less so in private schools than public ones) is extremely traumatizing to younger children who have not developed the cognitive ability to interact with their peers without constant supervision. The concept of the classroom is well geared towards someone around the age of 10, but before then you essentially have the equivalent of untrained dogs running in a pack, they regress back into an animal-like state and bully each other in order to establish dominance. And for the record, this is 3 years of public school teaching experience talking here.

 

[amy31416]

From what I've read, on the state of American education, homeschooled kids far outperform public and even privately schooled kids.

This gave me pause, as I am the product of public schooling, and honestly, if parents take a more active role in their child's education, whether it be home-schooling, being serious members of the PTA or whatever, the child can only benefit.

What more involvement can you have than actually teaching your own child? Socialization, while important, is second to that. I doubt that this is something the top-ranked nations focus on.

We need to get back down to the basics. It's true that some parents aren't cut out to be educators, but it's also true that they need to be very involved.