Whale Wars the show: Your thoughts

[newyearsrevolution08]

I watched that show whale wars where this one crew tossing crap on japanese whaling boats, get their crews onboard the japanese ships as well as toss prop failers to try and shut them down.

Now the question that I have in my head and I want others opinions on this.

Who owns the rights to who can or can't hunt whales?
If you are in international waters then who can dictate what you can or can't do?
Couldn't the japanese boats defend their boat by force if needed to NOT be boarded and if NOT who would be the one to put them on trial if they were in international waters.

I guess I don't know the laws around the international waters and what jurisdictions what countries or organizations have. I assume the u.n would be the one personally but not sure.

Not that I am FOR whaling lol but just wanting to get peoples point of view on the LAW side of it. Not the animal rights side of things....

The guy who started the whale wars also started green peace and actually was kicked out for being too aggressive with his tactics. He goes and throws stuff on the boats to taint the whale meat, tries to kill their props and tries to board them THEN call all the news and say they are being held hostage....

Boring show for the most part but it got me thinking.

Who's right is it to tell anyone what they can or can't do in waters that are not owned by anyone or any country?

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I'm not for whaling either, but the preview for the show came off as nutty to me.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

I'm not for whaling either, however if someone started tossing stuff onto my ship, or trying to board it like the nutters that they come across as, I would shoot them. Pretty simple.

 

[JK/SEA]

Here's a link of some interesting info.

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/policy/iwc/index.cfm

 

[angelatc]

I saw that! The narrator said that what the Japanese ship was doing was not illegal.

Environmental loonies. THey should have just thrown them in the brig and taken them all the way back to Japan. Only fed them blubber, too.

 

[Expatriate]

Trying to disable or interfere with a ship would be considered piracy of the high seas, wouldn't it? The only difference is they are not trying to take the cargo for themselves. Hasn't the U.S. Navy participated in pirate hunts before?

 

[Mesogen]

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/whaling/why-japanese-hunt-whales.html

This page is interesting.

According to its defenders, eating whale meat is an old and impenetrable Japanese tradition. "No one has the right to criticize the food culture of another people," said Matayuki Komatsu of Japan's Fisheries Agency.

Sorry, bub, but yes they do.

People claim all sorts of fucked up shit as being a-ok because it's part of "tradition" or "culture."

Fuck that.

Some things are just wrong no matter how many people do it or how long they have been doing it.

If your culture is the cause of several species going extinct and throwing off the balance of whole ecosystems, then you had better change that part of your culture soon.

Another example is honor killings. Some people say "No one has the right to criticize the family culture of another people." YES THEY DO. If you killed your daughter because she acted like a slut once, then something has to change about your culture and soon.

I've got a list of things that are "traditional" or part of someone's "culture" that are just plain wrong but continue simply because they have been done for so long.

I've talked to the liberal types that live in these parts along these lines and they are like "OMG I can't believe you think some cultures are bad. You can't criticize them for their culture just because it's different from yours." Yes. Yes I can, if part of their culture involves completely inhumane or inhuman treatment of other humans or animals (or the environment in some cases) then that part of their culture needs to end. And "my" own "culture" is one of them in some respects.

Fuck excessive whaling. You can't endanger whole species just because other people have done it before you and told you that you need to keep doing it for no rational reason (aka tradition).

 

[Mesogen]

Who's right is it to tell anyone what they can or can't do in waters that are not owned by anyone or any country?

If it's not "owned" by anyone or any country, then it must be lawless.

Then all actions are legal. You can try to whale to your hearts content. But if someone wants to defend the whales by going to war with you then who can stop you? The law? There is no law.

Some people in one country that want to protect one side or the other may write some things on some pieces of paper, they may even call these things laws, and send their own people out to join in the dispute.

It all depends on who is more powerful in the end.

This is the way everything works, btw.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

If it's not "owned" by anyone or any country, then it must be lawless.

Then all actions are legal. You can try to whale to your hearts content. But if someone wants to defend the whales by going to war with you then who can stop you? The law? There is no law.

Some people in one country that want to protect one side or the other may write some things on some pieces of paper, they may even call these things laws, and send their own people out to join in the dispute.

It all depends on who is more powerful in the end.

This is the way everything works, btw.

Exactly and in reality the japanese could have simply shot at them for trying to board their ship then right? Even if they kept screaming how "peaceful" they were trying to be right?

What would happen if someone got murdered on video in international waters though?

I guess I am just trying to get to the "who could really enforce anything" if there was no real borders that any country ran. Would it be the u.n. to step in? Or would the countries who had the dispute extradite the person?

So since it is open waters is that what makes it ok for them to throw shit at them, try and stop their props AND still not get into any trouble or have any repercussions?

Man it makes me want to setup something in the middle of international waters just right out of the u.s. monitored waters. It reminds me of that one simpsons episode where the coast guard was watching them do stupid shit and homer kept laughing at how they couldn't stop them....

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/whaling/why-japanese-hunt-whales.html

This page is interesting.



Sorry, bub, but yes they do.

People claim all sorts of fucked up shit as being a-ok because it's part of "tradition" or "culture."

Fuck that.

Some things are just wrong no matter how many people do it or how long they have been doing it.

If your culture is the cause of several species going extinct and throwing off the balance of whole ecosystems, then you had better change that part of your culture soon.

Another example is honor killings. Some people say "No one has the right to criticize the family culture of another people." YES THEY DO. If you killed your daughter because she acted like a slut once, then something has to change about your culture and soon.

I've got a list of things that are "traditional" or part of someone's "culture" that are just plain wrong but continue simply because they have been done for so long.

I've talked to the liberal types that live in these parts along these lines and they are like "OMG I can't believe you think some cultures are bad. You can't criticize them for their culture just because it's different from yours." Yes. Yes I can, if part of their culture involves completely inhumane or inhuman treatment of other humans or animals (or the environment in some cases) then that part of their culture needs to end. And "my" own "culture" is one of them in some respects.

Fuck excessive whaling. You can't endanger whole species just because other people have done it before you and told you that you need to keep doing it for no rational reason (aka tradition).

From the episode I watched the loophole is saying they are collecting "tissue samples" and within the "international law" any animal killed for scientific use CANNOT go to waste which then allows them to sell the whale meat and make the $$$$$$$$$$

A nice loophole for them indeed. Now what I can't wait for is all the amazing discoveries the japanese have found with all the tens of thousands of whale tissue samples they have so called collected? When should we expect the latest and greatest from japanese whale tissue testing? Or should we hold our breath and just assume they use that loophole so they can kill whales and make billions....

I don't see them doing it for the scientific benefits or for the whales benefits at all because if that were the case then odds are their data would tell them that they should STOP killing the whales.....

 

[nobody's_hero]

Where's the uproar over the Alaskan crab-fishing industry? They haul more crabs in out of one cage than a whaling ship hauls in whales over a year's time.

Oh, wait. Is there a cuteness factor in regards to which animals we save on this planet?

versus

Eww. Crabs lose—hideous creatures.

Save the whales!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Where's the uproar over the Alaskan crab-fishing industry? They haul more crabs in out of one cage than a whaling ship hauls in whales over a year's time.

Oh, wait. Is there a cuteness factor in regards to which animals we save on this planet?

versus

Eww. Crabs lose—hideous creatures.

Save the whales!

lol, well because this is the "Whale wars the show" discussion....


I do agree that people tend to save cute animals over ugly ones any day.

Do they have a show about volunteers trying to stop king crab fishing? If so, lets talk about it....

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People pick a cause and GO FOR IT. Whatever works for you I suppose but I am more wondering about the law side of it.

I think we need to worry about our damn trees more than anything. Fish can grow quickly but the trees we cut take hundreds of years to get to that point.

The great thing though, everything that we have on this earth CAN be reproduced, cloned or bred together to produce the next generation whether animals or plants.

 

[phixion]

Species come and go. That's life.

We're constantly interfering with eco-systems - it's the nature of life itself.

Whether you're mowing your lawn, turning on your heating or killing a whale, rest assured it effects many eco-systems and many creatures will die or even gain advantage because of our actions.

This save the <species> cherry-picking nonsense has to stop. It's compulsive and frankly mental.

Pete

 

[LiveFree79]

Where's the uproar over the Alaskan crab-fishing industry? They haul more crabs in out of one cage than a whaling ship hauls in whales over a year's time.

Oh, wait. Is there a cuteness factor in regards to which animals we save on this planet?

versus

Eww. Crabs lose—hideous creatures.

Save the whales!

First off there is uproar over the crab industry, especially the commercial fishing industry as a whole. But to compare the crab ecosystem to endangered mammals are two different things. The crab species can recover MUCH faster than mammals i.e. whales. Also killer whales are dolphins not technically whales. It's a lot harder to reintroduce a 100 ton animal than it is a simple crab. Think about it. Also by protecting whale species we are in turn in a lot of ways protecting crab ecosystems.

 

[Reason]

YouTube - Ady Gil Smashed By Japanese Whaling Ship!

 

[Vegetarianist]

To support immoral laws made by immoral politicians is immoral.

 

[dannno]

Whale Whores:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1311/

 

[dannno]

To support immoral laws made by immoral politicians is immoral.

Isn't stealing also immoral?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There is no logic or sense to hunting a species to extinction. Even if someone defends it as tradition, the tradition will end if you kill them all.

 

[Natalie]

I never heard of Whale Wars until I watched the South Park episode. It's pretty funny. You can watch it here:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251888