In your mind it would be more politically effective for Rand to not try to politically move us in the direction of less war, or against war with Iran, because he can't do it? With you defeatist mindset we would all be drinking tea and brexiting or whatever the fuck that is.
Sorry I can't agree with you at all, I don't think anyone doubts Rand's anti war reputation, he already has a reputation for wanting diplomacy with Iran, not supporting regime change, he made that bed a long time ago -why do you think they ran a million dollar attack ad against him the day he announced running for president saying that he was for the Iran deal. No one is going to blame Rand Paul if the government pushes regime change in Iran. He has a career of being against war in the middle east.
Hey Swordsmyth is right, damn I can't believe I am saying this. I can sleep better at night with Rand Paul talking to Trump about foreign policy, one could argue its fake news, which is fair, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I am sure happy he isn't sending John Bolton to Russia. At the very least if Rand can use Trump to sell a non interventionist foreign policy to the Republican electorate it will be like riding a tidal wave with a surfboard instead of fighting against the tide trying to stop an unstoppable force.
I support it because it is right, I oppose the things that Trump does wrong and I would prefer that Rand was President.
You're not seeing the forest through the trees. Libertarianism wasn't pushed to the sidelines, Rand used the tea party as a trojan like mechanism to insert libertarian views into the mainstream. You must of missed the part in the republican debate where multiple candidates tripped over eachother to proclaim how they are so Ron Paul. Rand is doing the same by trying to associate the Trump administration with libertarian policies and circumvent the mainstream narrative and making lemonade with lemons-if Rand can get Trump to put non interventionism into the Republican platform then its a lot more effective then not getting anything into the republican platform. I'm probably the most anti Trump person here, but forgive me if I don't start kicking and screaming if Trump tweeted he was for an audit of the federal reserve or for closing 5 federal government departments.
On the contrary, the two are natural allies.
There was never such a time, Swampublicans were unpopular and anyone who was seen as an outsider was on the rise but neocons and their "strong foreign policy" were still as popular as they had ever been (which was never too popular, remember W. got elected promising a "humble" foreign policy) and libertarians were only about as popular as they ever were. (the Republicans have been the supposed party of small government)
Trump offered people a good mix of most of the things Rand did and other important things that Rand failed to emphasize, he has failed to deliver so far on some of them but he has far exceeded my expectations and Rand understands that working with him the the best path to get some things done now and get his supporters to listen to us when he is gone.
Except Rand has been the biggest critic of the presidents policies. I think appealing to Trumps populism gives him the ability to fight the mainstream foreign policy because it makes him seem like he is part of the mainstream and the government is using propaganda to ostracize anyone who questions the mainstream foreign policy and label them as a Russian spy. Rand's strategy might be the only thing keeping the neocons from ostracizing Rand and kicking him out of the Republican party.
We shall see, everyone claimed we were going to invade N. Korea at any moment but that didn't happen.
The game isn't over yet.
He is not the only person involved.
He is not licking boots and he is strengthening Trump's hand about peace with Russia.
I doubt Trump will campaign on Rand's support, like it or not Rand doesn't have that kind of influence on many voters yet, Rand on the other hand can go to all the Trump supporters and say: "Hey, I was one of the good guys that stood by Trump when he was right while so many others jumped on the TDS bandwagon" and get them to listen to our ideas.
Maybe, or maybe not.
don't take your eye off of Iran, the Russian government has every incentive to prop up the Iranian regime in order to prop up their own regime. If America wanted to target Russia they would target their allies and regimes that are friendly with them in order to keep them contained and isolated.
Fine, that just makes your accusations of single issue obsession more ridiculous, racists can be that obsessive so those who accuse me of that have an excuse.
This just shows how shallow your understanding of Nationalism and putting America first is, the DoD is the biggest black hole in the budget and putting America first will mean ending the wars, retracting the empire and slashing its budget to the bone, it also means cutting taxes and regulations to unleash our economy and ending entitlements that encourage people to not produce.
Sorry but you are wrong, even if you were right and Trump personally killed your golden age there is no path back to it through destroying him, the only way forward is to harness the movement he built and bend it in our direction, Rand understands that and you don't.
Exactly right.
Cutting off my statement before the part that proves you wrong is not an argument.
