Wesley Snipes Gets Max Sentence

[Zippyjuan]

Can they lay and collect taxes on everyone and everything everywhere?

Within the jurisdiction of the United States. Taxes on interstate commerce are prohibited in the Constitution. I believe there is no restriction on taxing transactions between private parties in it.

The point was that income taxes are allowed under the Constitution.

 

[Danke]

Within the jurisdiction of the United States. Taxes on interstate commerce are prohibited in the Constitution. I believe there is no restriction on taxing transactions between private parties in it.

The point was that income taxes are allowed under the Constitution.

Wrong again.

My pay is not income. You need to understand what the Constitution is talking about when it refers to income.

 

[Zippyjuan]

What do you call the pay you receive in exhange for your labor? Call it whatever you want. Tips. Bribes. Mullah. Wampum. Income is defined in the tax code- not the Constitution. The Constitution does not differentiate. It does allow the Congress to write the tax code.
You still have the Sixteenth Amendment:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

 

[Danke]

What do you call the pay you receive in exhange for your labor? Call it whatever you want. Tips. Bribes. Mullah. Wampum. Income is defined in the tax code- not the Constitution. The Constitution does not differentiate. It does allow the Congress to write the tax code.
You still have the Sixteenth Amendment:

Where in the tax code is income defined?

My pay for my labor is not income, as I stated earlier.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I am not a tax lawyer and will have to search. According to the Census Bureau, the following are considered income: Those in the tax code are probably not that dissimilar.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstc/apm/incdef.html

Income Definitions
Poverty Status - Alternative and Household Income - Alternative are currently available for 2005 and 2006 only. Note that 2005 data show poverty status and income based on the 2004 reference period; 2006 data show poverty status and income based on the 2005 reference period.
For Poverty Status - Alternative, the income definition is applied to the family income.
For Household Income - Alternative, the income definition is applied to the household income.
The income format for Household Income - Alternative is the format selected in section 6, Customized Formatting.
You may select the official income (Money Income), any of three alternatives, or you may customize your own definition from the 36 possible components of income.
The 36 income components are (the number corresponds to the number shown in the table footnote when you customize your own income definition):
Earnings (wages, salaries, and self-employment income)
Interest income
Dividend income
Rents, royalties, estate, and trust income
Non-government retirement pensions and annuities
Non-government survivor pensions and annuities
Non-government disability pensions and annuities
Realized capital gains (losses)
Social Security
Unemployment compensation
Workers' compensation
Veterans' payments other than pensions
Government retirement pensions and annuities
Government survivor pensions and annuities
Government disability pensions and annuities
Public assistance (includes TANF and other cash welfare
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Veterans' pensions
Federal earned income credit
Federal income taxes after refundable credits except EIC (deducted from income)
State income taxes after all refundable credits (deducted from income)
Payroll taxes (FICA and other mandatory deductions) (deducted from income)
Property taxes on owner-occupied housing (deducted from income)
Government educational assistance
Non-government educational assistance
Food Stamps
Free, reduced-price and regular-price school lunches
Low-income energy assistance
Public housing subsidy
Child Support
Alimony
Regular contributions from persons not living in the household
Money income not elsewhere classified
Imputed return to home equity on owner-occupied housing
Medical expenses out-of-pocket (deducted from income)
Work-related expenses excluding child care (deducted from income)

The pre-defined income definitions are:
Money Income (the official definition of income)
Consists of the following 23 income components:
1. Earnings (wages, salaries, and self-employment income)
2. Interest income
3. Dividend income
4. Rents, royalties, estate, and trust income
5. Non-government retirement pensions and annuities
6. Non-government survivor pensions and annuities
7. Non-government disability pensions and annuities
9. Social Security
10. Unemployment compensation
11. Workers' compensation
12. Veterans' payments other than pensions
13. Government retirement pensions and annuities
14. Government survivor pensions and annuities
15. Government disability pensions and annuities
16. Public assistance (includes TANF and other cash welfare
17. Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
18. Veterans' pensions
24. Government educational assistance
25. Non-government educational assistance
30. Child Support
31. Alimony
32. Regular contributions from persons not living in the household
33. Money income not elsewhere classifiedMarket Income
Consists of the following 15 income components:
1. Earnings (wages, salaries, and self-employment income)
2. Interest income
3. Dividend income
4. Rents, royalties, estate, and trust income
5. Non-government retirement pensions and annuities
6. Non-government survivor pensions and annuities
7. Non-government disability pensions and annuities
8. Realized capital gains (losses)
25. Non-government educational assistance
30. Child Support
31. Alimony
32. Regular contributions from persons not living in the household
33. Money income not elsewhere classified
34. Imputed return to home equity on owner-occupied housing
36. Work-related expenses excluding child care (deducted from income)

Post-Social Insurance Income
Consists of 23 income components, all the Market Income components AND the following:
9. Social Security
10. Unemployment compensation
11. Workers' compensation
12. Veterans' payments other than pensions
13. Government retirement pensions and annuities
14. Government survivor pensions and annuities
15. Government disability pensions and annuities
24. Government educational assistance

Disposable Income
Consists of 34 income components, all the Post-Social Insurance Income components AND the following:
16. Public assistance (includes TANF and other cash welfare)
17. Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
18. Veterans' pensions
19. Federal earned income credit
20. Federal income taxes after refundable credits except EIC (deducted from income)
21. State income taxes after all refundable credits (deducted from income)
22. Payroll taxes (FICA and other mandatory deductions) (deducted from income)
23. Property taxes on owner-occupied housing (deducted from income)
26. Food Stamps
27. Free, reduced-price and regular-price school lunches
29. Public housing subsidy

or all income components EXCEPT the following:
28. Low-income energy assistance
35. Medical expenses out-of-pocket (deducted from income)

 

[Danke]

I didn't ask about the Census Bureau. I asked where in the IRC.

 

[Danke]

I am not a tax lawyer and will have to search. According to the Census Bureau, the following are considered income: Those in the tax code are probably not that dissimilar.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstc/apm/incdef.html

Could you quote what the Department Of Education thinks income is too?

Seems that many who don't understand our Constitution get their education at those schools. I think we may find a connection.

 

[Zippyjuan]

You are getting a bit rediculous now.
Perhaps you can find me one in the code which excludes your pay.

 

[sratiug]

Come on Zippy, I know you can do it!

While you are at it please try to explain why if a corporation is a person under law and a corporation can deduct expenses from their income and only report profit as income why can't any other "person" do the same?

 

[Danke]

You are getting a bit rediculous now.

Well, since you don't really understand the words you are writing, I guess I could say the same. Your understanding of what constitutes income and the understanding of the Constitution is a bit ridiculous.

By the way, I wrote "intra" not "inter." Important difference that you got wrong even with your "inter" reply.

 

[Zippyjuan]

As I said, I am not a tax lawyer. I cannot explain taxes to you.
But I did find the section of the code where they define income- Title 26 Article 61:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00000061----000-.html

a) General definition
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

Please read: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-07-19.pdf

 

[Danke]

Perhaps you can find me one in the code which excludes your pay.

What?!?! You mean if the code doesn't include my pay, I have to find somewhere where it excludes my pay? Or else I'm liable?

I guess we need to start going after the pay of my Korean friend in Korea, the code doesn't specifically exclude his pay!

 

[Danke]

As I said, I am not a tax lawyer. I cannot explain taxes to you.
But I did find the section of the code where they define income- Title 26 Article 61:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00000061----000-.html


Please read: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-07-19.pdf

great, you found what gross income is defined as. And what was my question again? Oh, that's right, income!.

 

[DAFTEK]

He deserves it

We all do it, its the law. You may not necessarily agree with it, but you need to follow the rules. I have no sympathy for a man who has more wealth than the common man get thrown in jail when millions of hard working citizens put into the system and get nothing.

QFT And put a sock in it!

 

[Zippyjuan]

great, you found what gross income is defined as. And what was my question again? Oh, that's right, income!.

I guess I will let you find out that one by yourself. By the way, gross income IS income. It is your income before your deductions. That means that those categories listed are subect to the income tax.

I realize that you are just having a bit of fun.

 

[sratiug]

I guess I will let you find out that one by yourself. By the way, gross income IS income. It is your income before your deductions. That means that those categories listed are subect to the income tax.

I realize that you are just having a bit of fun.

I worked for a temp company a few times. I'm sure that company only paid tax on the profit they made after subtracting my wages from their wages. They don't pay tax on the whole WAGE they are paid per hour, only the profit after all their expenses. Their gross income would be the wages they were paid, just like mine would be. But since it is impossible to estimate anybody's personal cost of physically doing that work there can be no tax on an individual's wages.

I assume that's why you can't answer my question from before, why do corporate persons have more rights than actual individuals. Because they really can't. And there is not really a tax on wages, only on income derived from yada yada yada... If I put my wages in a bank and draw interest on that money I would be deriving income from my wages and owe a tax.

Corporations are evil, tax them all you want.

 

[Danke]

By the way, gross income IS income.

Your ignorance is only surprising in the fact that you are on a Ron Paul Forum.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

One can choose to be either a client or a citizen.

Your ignorance is only surprising in the fact that you are on a Ron Paul Forum.

The vast majority of us Americans are "clients" in regards to the lawmakers ruling over us. These would be those necessary tyrants who use a foreign language of legal precedents and measures. These strangers have created for themselves "hidden agendas" and "best interests" in clear defiance of what is supposed to be a "self evident" purpose in the Constitution.
The term "self evident" is a meaning even the ignorant can't ignore because such a truth is supposed to be imprinted as unalienable on the human soul.
So, whereas in regards to the legal precedents created by the ruling tyranny I am a menial client, in regards to the Constitution designed by my founding fathers I am a citizen.
Why do we continue delving in the foreign precedents of legal tyranny?

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

It is difficult to seperate a legal precedent from the civil purpose.

I guess I will let you find out that one by yourself. By the way, gross income IS income. It is your income before your deductions. That means that those categories listed are subect to the income tax.

I realize that you are just having a bit of fun.

If the Supreme Court ruled tomorrow that the color black is now legally white and vice versa, then the color white would likewise become legally black. This is because 99.99999% of what is the government is not only legal precedents but an erosion towards tyranny which threatens the sovereignty of the Constitution.
Because most of us are defined as clients or incompetent people in regards to our ability to represent ourselves in legal matters, it is in the best interest for the majority of us competent citizens to focus primarily on the civil purpose in the Constitution.
In other words, we don't need a lawyer representing us in regards to what is "self evident" and "unalienable" to our conscience.