We're paying CECOT $25k per year, per inmate, how is that a good deal?

[unknown]

According to this article it's $25k per year.

US paying El Salvador $6M to jail hundreds of Venezuela gang suspects: ‘Pennies on the dollar’

The Venezuelans “don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here,” added Leavitt, quoting the lyrics of the hit song “Closing Time.”

nypost.com

"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is paying roughly $6 million for El Salvador to jail the 238 Venezuelan gang suspects deported Sunday, according to the White House.

That works out to roughly $25,000 per detainee..."

 

[unknown]

According to this article, it's $20k per year per inmate.

How Bukele benefits from accepting US deportation flights: $20,000 per inmate a year and Trump’s favor

The controversial transfer of migrants to a mega-prison in El Salvador will bring its president more than just economic benefits, according to analysts

english.elpais.com

 

[unknown]

It should be like $100, WTF???

 

[unknown]

Errrrr, WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE IN MASSACHUSETTS PAYING $300K/YEAR FOR A PRISONER???

Mapped: U.S. States by Cost Per Prisoner

Spending can vary from just under $23K per prisioner in Arkansas to $307K per inmate in Massachusetts.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[TheTexan]

It's almost as if there might be commercial interests at play

 

[nikcers]

We put people in prison to keep us safe from them.

It's also a punishment so it disincentivizes breaking the law.

Some other countries basically are prisons and we have borders so we don't become one.

Prisons aren't cheap to operate.

 

[nikcers]

It's almost as if there might be commercial interests at play

Heaven doesn't exist if there isn't a hell to contain people who would destroy heaven and make it hell.

 

[TheTexan]

Heaven doesn't exist if there isn't a hell to contain people who would destroy heaven and make it hell.

Just kick them out of our country and make it someone else's problem.

If they come back, shoot them.

Problem solved.

 

[nikcers]

Just kick them out of our country and make it someone else's problem.

If they come back, shoot them.

Problem solved.

There was no where to deport Venezuelan criminals because they are a failed state.

Something like 1/5 of their country left after the state became a prison. Equivalent to like 60+ million leaving the United States.

If you send a bunch of criminals there they are just going to cause harm to Venezuela or the other states that people from Venezuela escape to.

It could cause a chain reaction to the other countries and cause them to fail.

 

[TheTexan]

There was no where to deport Venezuelan criminals because they are a failed state.

Something like 1/5 of their country left after the state became a prison. Equivalent to like 60+ million leaving the United States.

If you send a bunch of criminals there they are just going to cause harm to Venezuela or the other states that people from Venezuela escape to.

It could cause a chain reaction to the other countries and cause them to fail.

We don't even need to deport them. We just need to tell them to leave. Allow them 72 hours to find somewhere to go or they will be shot.

Some might go to Venezuela. Most would choose elsewhere.

Either way, once they are out of my country, it's not my problem.

 

[nikcers]

We don't even need to deport them. We just need to tell them to leave. Allow them 72 hours to find somewhere to go or they will be shot.

Some might go to Venezuela. Most would choose elsewhere.

Either way, once they are out of my country, it's not my problem.

These aren't normal criminals. These are gangs and terrorist groups.

Hundreds of gang members or terrorists recruit thousands more and then those thousands recruit 10 thousands and then those 10 thousands recruit hundreds of thousands and then those groups take over and overthrow governments and create failed states where millions flee.

There may become a time where we can't afford to imprison our enemies but until then we can't afford not to.

 

[TheTexan]

These aren't normal criminals. These are gangs and terrorist groups.

Hundreds of gang members or terrorists recruit thousands more and then those thousands recruit 10 thousands and then those 10 thousands recruit hundreds of thousands and then those groups take over and overthrow governments and create failed states where millions flee.

There may become a time where we can't afford to imprison our enemies but until then we can't afford not to.

If they are so bad that they can't even be released into a foreign country then just kill them.

I would challenge the assumption that such a thing is even possible, but if you truly believe that to be true, then just kill them.

Prison is never the correct answer.

 

[nikcers]

If they are so bad that they can't even be released into a foreign country then just kill them.

I would challenge the assumption that such a thing is even possible, but if you truly believe that to be true, then just kill them.

Prison is never the correct answer.

That would be political suicide. It goes against the moral character of the American people.

The president's job is to defeat our enemies that is correct.

The people that our president works for want the president to defeat our enemies without butchering them.

We do that by winning hearts and minds or imprisoning them.

We convince them to theoretically not be our enemies or we contain them when we can't.

We only use the third option when we are forced to because all other options failed.

 

[TheTexan]

That would be political suicide. It goes against the moral character of the American people.

Moral character such as yours? You're a tyrant, and so is the vast majority of the American people.

You don't really have much standing to talk about moral character.

You're against self determination, so it's not a surprise that you're in favor of prisons as well.

It's consistent with your "moral character".

 

[nikcers]

Moral character such as yours? You're a tyrant, and so is the vast majority of the American people.

You don't really have much standing to talk about moral character.

You're against self determination, so it's not a surprise that you're in favor of prisons as well.

It's consistent with your "moral character".

Well tyrants typically do butcher their enemies.

So there's sort of a contradiction.

We're trying to be good shepherds. That's the idea and ideas are powerful.

 

[TheTexan]

Well tyrants typically do butcher their enemies.

If I had it my way, I'd just deport them. But butchering someone is always gonna be favorable to enslaving them. The former is done out of necessity, and the latter is done out of pure evil.

We're trying to be good shepherds. That's the idea and ideas are powerful.

If you want to be good shepherds, quit threatening to invade and murder people who choose to disassociate themselves and their territory from you.

It's immoral or amoral as fuck.

 

[unknown]

We put people in prison to keep us safe from them.

It's also a punishment so it disincentivizes breaking the law.

Some other countries basically are prisons and we have borders so we don't become one.

Prisons aren't cheap to operate.

If we're not saving money, which we're not, Americans should benefit from another tax payer shouldered windfall.

 

[nikcers]

If I had it my way, I'd just deport them. But butchering someone is always gonna be favorable to enslaving them. The former is done out of necessity, and the latter is done out of pure evil.



If you want to be good shepherds, quit threatening to invade and murder people who choose to disassociate themselves and their territory from you.

It's immoral or amoral as fuck.

Well to many it's considered tyrannical to butcher people- even your enemies.

That's how people in our country are raised to believe.

If you dissociate from our country that makes you the invader.

 

[TheTexan]

Well to many it's considered tyrannical to butcher people- even your enemies.

The only people who can say that with any kind of moral credibility are pacifists, which most Americans clearly are not.

That's how people in our country are raised to believe.

If you dissociate from our country that makes you the invader.

This position of yours demonstrates that you both have no problem with butchering, and you have no problem with slavery.

A morally vacant position.

At least I can say with credibility that I wholly oppose slavery. You can't say you oppose slavery, or butchery, as you clearly support both.

 

[nikcers]

The only people who can say that with any kind of moral credibility are pacifists, which most Americans clearly are not.




This position of yours demonstrates that you both have no problem with butchering, and you have no problem with slavery.

A morally vacant position.

At least I can say with credibility that I wholly oppose slavery. You can't say you oppose slavery, or butchery, as you clearly support both.

In order to be anti slavery you must defend the group of people who are against slavery from their enemies. You have to protect your sheep to be a good shepherd.