Went to a local Tea Party meeting tonight, my experience.

[Okie RP fan]

My suggestion: Don't mention Ron Paul unless he is brought up in conversation.

Many Republicans and Tea party types use all the same language we do but most haven't connected all the dots yet. Feed them information but don't attach labels or names such as libertarian or Ron Paul.

I have a local GOP holiday party to go to in 2 days. Number one goal: build relationships.

Bingo.


This was what I was trying to convey in my post.

 

[Uriah]

A lot of people are forgetting the power of the media. When Ron Paul rose in Iowa in early December 2011, Ron was on top of the world nationally and gaining in popularity within the voters, Tea Party and the Republican party. What happened? Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, O'Reilly, Beck, etc. all launched a nuclear attack against the "nutty of man." There is no doubt in my mind that such attack was orchestrated. To knock Ron off the top spot, CNN releases a poll (fake because the caucus was open) of Republican Iowan voters only to give this meme that Santorum was rising when he most definitely was stuck below 10%. CNN poll had him at 15% and the rest is history. Every news station and political pundit ran with the false story. Santorum surged knocking Ron to third within one week. At the same time, Ron Paul's approval numbers plummeted and his disapproval sky rocketed to above 50% within the Republican party base. The race was technically over after SC after placing a weak fourth.

What's the point? To win on the Republican nomination, one needs to have the right wing media on their side. They are the ones that were herded to vote for the most likely person to beat Obama which the meme was Romney. It did not matter if true or not because politics is not about the truth always. It's about herding.

It's why I have always advocated Ron Paul went Indy besides the fact that the two party criminal system needs as ass whopping.

Two other things to mention. There was a smear robo-call about 1-2 weeks before the caucus. I never got it. It labeled Ron as anti-2nd Amendment... there may have been a second robo-call that labeled him pro-choice. Not sure on that one. But a major smear campaign was underway and many people mentioned that was the reason they did not support Paul. The source of the robo-call was never found.

Also, Bachmann was on the decline in Iowa. Her campaign was losing popular support. She could not hold onto staff or endorsements. The social conservatives needed a place to go. Paul had been absorbing many of them but most ended up going to Santorum.

 

[angelatc]

Elitist drivel at its finest.

You know, I wonder if we could get a private forum where those of us that want to work in the GOP and TEA Party can discuss strategy, and blow odd steam, without the trolls coming in.

I know there are lots of private groups...you can see them on user profiles...

This is the best time to get involved in the party. After the elections, everybody goes home for 4 years. In the meantime, this is when the structures organize in preparation for the next cycle. I understand that not everybody is going to do that, but it would be nice to have somewhere to talk about that without having the same old nay-sayers chiming in.

So, should we ask Josh for it? Would we use it?

 

[eleganz]

Yes yes, don't be 'that' Ron Pau supporter.

You fit the stereotype and you lose all credibility. Be level headed.

 

[twomp]

You know, I wonder if we could get a private forum where those of us that want to work in the GOP and TEA Party can discuss strategy, and blow odd steam, without the trolls coming in.

I know there are lots of private groups...you can see them on user profiles...

This is the best time to get involved in the party. After the elections, everybody goes home for 4 years. In the meantime, this is when the structures organize in preparation for the next cycle. I understand that not everybody is going to do that, but it would be nice to have somewhere to talk about that without having the same old nay-sayers chiming in.

So, should we ask Josh for it? Would we use it?

I am definitely not a supporter of the "taking over from within" strategy but I totally agree that if there were ever a time to take over the party it would be between now and 2016. I hope that you guys manage to make some strong strides with that because it will only benefit our country (and me and my family) if you folks succeed.

But I also hope everyone doesn't put their eggs in one basket. If the take over strategy doesn't work, I hope the 3rd party folks will have a better infrastructure come 2016 should the GOP find a way to screw us over again. We need a backup plan.

In any case, I think you guys should continue to do your work here right in Grassroots central and even though you folks will have to deal with the nay-sayers. You guys will get a lot more feedback/attention from discussing stuff here.

 

[Uriah]

You know, I wonder if we could get a private forum where those of us that want to work in the GOP and TEA Party can discuss strategy, and blow odd steam, without the trolls coming in.

I know there are lots of private groups...you can see them on user profiles...

This is the best time to get involved in the party. After the elections, everybody goes home for 4 years. In the meantime, this is when the structures organize in preparation for the next cycle. I understand that not everybody is going to do that, but it would be nice to have somewhere to talk about that without having the same old nay-sayers chiming in.

So, should we ask Josh for it? Would we use it?

I would use it.

Many things to organize for. In my state we have county GOP officer elections coming up in January, mayoral & city council elections next November, then comes our off cycle caucus in 2014 where we will go through the entire process of county, district, and state conventions again. State central committee members are elected at the district conventions in early 2014 too. 2014 is a make or break year for having a strong ground work laid for Rand Paul in 2016. I am committed to working within the Grand Old Party and am beginning the process of starting up a Republican Liberty Caucus in my state(there may be one but I haven't heard back from the Iowa contact, info could be old).

 

[Anti Federalist]

The black out of Mr. "Play by the rules" Rand has already begun.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395187-Fox-Nation-Poll-Omits-Rand-Paul

A lot of people are forgetting the power of the media. When Ron Paul rose in Iowa in early December 2011, Ron was on top of the world nationally and gaining in popularity within the voters, Tea Party and the Republican party. What happened? Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, O'Reilly, Beck, etc. all launched a nuclear attack against the "nutty old man." There is no doubt in my mind that such attack was orchestrated. To knock Ron off the top spot, CNN releases a poll (fake because the caucus was open) of Republican Iowan voters only to give this meme that Santorum was rising when he most definitely was stuck below 10%. CNN poll had him at 15% and the rest is history. Every news station and political pundit ran with the false story. Santorum surged knocking Ron to third within one week. At the same time, Ron Paul's approval numbers plummeted and his disapproval sky rocketed to above 50% within the Republican party base. The race was technically over after SC after placing a weak fourth.

What's the point? To win on the Republican nomination, one needs to have the right wing media on their side. The media were the ones that herded the primary voter to vote for the most likely person to beat Obama which the meme was Romney. It did not matter if true or not because politics is not about the truth always. It's about herding.

It's why I have always advocated Ron Paul went Indy besides the fact that the two party criminal system needs as ass whopping.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

You know, I wonder if we could get a private forum where those of us that want to work in the GOP and TEA Party can discuss strategy, and blow odd steam, without the trolls coming in.

I know there are lots of private groups...you can see them on user profiles...

This is the best time to get involved in the party. After the elections, everybody goes home for 4 years. In the meantime, this is when the structures organize in preparation for the next cycle. I understand that not everybody is going to do that, but it would be nice to have somewhere to talk about that without having the same old nay-sayers chiming in.

So, should we ask Josh for it? Would we use it?

It would be very nice. A place solely for real world activists to discuss strategy and such.

 

[eleganz]

It would be very nice. A place solely for real world activists to discuss strategy and such.

I'd love that, I'm tired of the tire kickers and opinion spitters, I just want to talk to people who actually do shit in this damn revolution.

 

[TheTexan]

Many Republicans and Tea party types use all the same language we do but most haven't connected all the dots yet.

For some of them this may be true. For most, their words are nothing more than empty rhetoric. A battle cry to use in their game of Red vs Blue, or simply fluffy feel-good words with no conviction, much like New Years resolutions.. "This year I'm going to eat healthy! I mean it this time! Oh by the way can we stop by Taco Bell on the way home"

You can identify these people by their hypocrisies and inconsistencies. They can say two completely opposite things right after each other and not even give it a second thought. If you even try to go into deeper discussion into these issues, they will get offended, angry, and/or immediately change the subject.

These people love living in their dream world they have built for themselves where they believe they stand for truth, justice, and freedom, and if you say or do anything that suggests otherwise they will fight you with every ounce of their being. These people will use every tool at their disposal to maintain their illusions, and will even use violence if necessary.

Occasionally, if they have their guard down, they may accidentally hear some truth that cannot be refuted or ignored. They may even agree with you. You will feel a small sense of victory, and have your faith restored in the world... but I warn you, two weeks.. or two days.. or even two minutes later... they will have forgotten everything you just said, and act as if that conversation never even happened.

 

[Occam's Banana]

The black out of Mr. "Play by the rules" Rand has already begun.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395187-Fox-Nation-Poll-Omits-Rand-Paul

And will proceed apace. Further proof, if any were needed, that Rand is not one of them.

What I don't understand is how Liberty74 imagines it would be any different when it comes to his putative "Indy party."

As denuded as it may be, Rand will get far, FAR greater coverage than ANYONE from the Libertarian party, Green party, etc. Including the (currently non-existent) "Indy party."

 

[devil21]

It would be very nice. A place solely for real world activists to discuss strategy and such.

She was talking about excluding people like you.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

She was talking about excluding people like you.

I'll let her clarify then, but I believe she was referring to the post that I commented on that stated: "Does anyone start to awaken to the the inherent contradictions and flaws of an electoral system when they start having to pander to the idiots that compose "the people?" Like- what is good about a system that has to first convince them in order to function?" to which I replied "elitist drivel at its finest"

Either way I am thick skinned enough not to let it bother me.

 

[Sayzak]

Thats really encouraging to hear. Unfortunately, most of the Tea Partiers in my area are too busy blaming "Paulbots", libertarians and voter fraud for Romney's loss and buying into the media hype that the GOP didn't do enough to reach out to Latino voters.

I want the GOP to know they have my permission to blame "paulbots". That's right GOP, we gave you an ultimatum. You chose to lose. Sorry 'bout that. Not.

 

[idiom]

The time to take over is between now and 2014. By then they party will have already coalesced on a solid plan for 2016. We need to be on the inside by the end of the 2014 election.