Welfare queens rage out over food stamp cuts

[PAF]

While the media narrative has focused on low-income recipients, it often ignores the role of corporate and industry lobbyists who work to increase food stamp spending and to ensure the program remains permanent. Farmers, “Big Ag,” grocery retailers, beverage companies, and other industry players are very active in lobbying members of Congress to ensure that food-stamp dollars keep flowing.

How Food Industry Lobbyists Keep the Food-Stamp Gravy Train Going | Mises Institute

The food stamp program is a way for Pepsico and the Coca-Cola company to legally rip off the taxpayers.

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[Anti Globalist]

These people wouldn't have any issues whatsoever if they just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and went out and got a job.

 

[ClaytonB]

These people wouldn't have any issues whatsoever if they just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and went out and got a job.

The problem is worse than that. Many (not all) of these people have been drilled with intergenerational learned-helplessness. That doesn't excuse any bad behavior, but when you are inculcated from tenderest youth to not only believe, but know, that you cannot help yourself, overcoming that trap requires the same kind of intervention as escaping a cult, in many cases. It's in OUR interests for people to successfully exit dependency on government-assistance -- wishful thinking isn't going to produce successful outcomes.

tl;dr -- don't give the man a fish, but don't just throw a fishing-pole at him (which he's never seen before), take a little time to actually teach him to fish... (this can be privately funded, we don't need the government to do it).

 

[oyarde]

I will throw a big party when the USDA is shut down

 

[Anti Federalist]

The problem is worse than that. Many (not all) of these people have been drilled with intergenerational learned-helplessness. That doesn't excuse any bad behavior, but when you are inculcated from tenderest youth to not only believe, but know, that you cannot help yourself, overcoming that trap requires the same kind of intervention as escaping a cult, in many cases. It's in OUR interests for people to successfully exit dependency on government-assistance -- wishful thinking isn't going to produce successful outcomes.

tl;dr -- don't give the man a fish, but don't just throw a fishing-pole at him (which he's never seen before), take a little time to actually teach him to fish... (this can be privately funded, we don't need the government to do it).

In today's world, the man you taught to fish will find that too much like work, beat you to death with the rod and reel you just gave him and showed him how to use, steal your fish, your rod and reel and your wallet, shit in your fishing hole and then go hock all of it in exchange for cash to buy crack and hookers.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[acptulsa]

 

[nikcers]

 

[acptulsa]

Generally I don't give AJ the time of my day. But here he stops shaking that box of gravel he calls a voice fairly soon and lets the Democrats hang themselves speak.

 

[Snowball]

These people wouldn't have any issues whatsoever if they just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and went out and got a job.

I don't see that as a truism anymore. There is nowhere near enough jobs that pay substantially more than welfare gives them.

If you drew a 100 mile circle around where I live there would be over 500,000 on welfare and maybe 500-1000 job openings that pay a living wage.
I am probably being too optimistic on that.

When I was in college, I rented a house for $325 a month. Tuition was $1500.
You could get a decent job with a handshake walking off the street. Feels like another world.

 

[ClaytonB]

In today's world, the man you taught to fish will find that too much like work, beat you to death with the rod and reel you just gave him and showed him how to use, steal your fish, your rod and reel and your wallet, shit in your fishing hole and then go hock all of it in exchange for cash to buy crack and hookers.

Yeah, well, I'm not a hand-wringing liberal, so just shoot him in that case.

Problem permanently solved.

 

[nikcers]

I don't see that as a truism anymore. There is nowhere near enough jobs that pay substantially more than welfare gives them.

If you drew a 100 mile circle around where I live there would be over 500,000 on welfare and maybe 500-1000 job openings that pay a living wage.

Thats because welfare and other government subsidy vastly increases the cost of living and put even more people into poverty.

Offering all of that welfare and subsidy also attracts millions of people into our borders which increases the cost of living even more.

The cloward piven strategy destroys the economy and makes the entire country bankrupted.

All it does it trick everyone into having to eat shit.

 

[Snowball]

Thats because welfare and other government subsidy vastly increases the cost of living and put even more people into poverty.

Offering all of that welfare and subsidy also attracts millions of people into our borders which increases the cost of living even more.

The cloward piven strategy destroys the economy and makes the entire country bankrupted.

All it does it trick everyone into having to eat shit.

Welfare does indeed help keep inflation going, but it wasn't at all what caused the inflation and the sparsity of affordable living and healthcare.

That all started because of Wall Street and US Gov. Debt and Inflation are the life's blood of the oligarchy. The rest will be appeased in order to keep the oligarchy on top. No reason to even talk about it anymore. No solutions are being discussed by anyone. All they advocate for is more debt and inflation, it is hardwired into the Federal Reserve System. Public housing is here to stay. Socialism hasn't even begun yet. These are the good old days. Imagine that. Sad.

 

[ClaytonB]

I don't see that as a truism anymore. There is nowhere near enough jobs that pay substantially more than welfare gives them.

Right, well, the solution to that problem is:

Let $Welfare = 0;

When I was in college, I rented a house for $325 a month. Tuition was $1500.
You could get a decent job with a handshake walking off the street. Feels like another world.

Hmm, let's see:

Welfare increasing :: Economic opportunity decreasing

Solution couldn't be more obvious --- taking money from working Americans and using it to subsidize non-working Americans causes economic destruction.

 

[nikcers]

Welfare does indeed help keep inflation going, but it wasn't at all what caused the inflation and the sparsity of affordable living and healthcare.

That all started because of Wall Street and US Gov. Debt and Inflation are the life's blood of the oligarchy. The rest will be appeased in order to keep the oligarchy on top. No reason to even talk about it anymore. No solutions are being discussed by anyone. All they advocate for is more debt and inflation, it is hardwired into the Federal Reserve System. Public housing is here to stay. Socialism hasn't even begun yet. These are the good old days. Imagine that. Sad.

The monetary system alone doesn't create the fake market forces that drive up prices.

People weren't paying 500 dollars for a haircut during the pandemic because of the federal reserve.

People don't pay 20 dollars for a gallon of water during hurricane season because of the federal reserve.

Prices are determined by real market forces that are based on supply and demand.

Subsidizing poor people drives up prices for other people.

Subsidizing people that dont work drives up prices for people who do work.

This amounts to a system of basically legal slavery.

 

[Snowball]

Right, well, the solution to that problem is:

Let $Welfare = 0;



Hmm, let's see:

Welfare increasing :: Economic opportunity decreasing

Solution couldn't be more obvious --- taking money from working Americans and using it to subsidize non-working Americans causes economic destruction.

Don't fool yourself. There is no going back. You'll understand eventually.

 

[Occam's Banana]

In today's world, the man you taught to fish will find that too much like work, beat you to death with the rod and reel you just gave him and showed him how to use, steal your fish, your rod and reel and your wallet, shit in your fishing hole and then go hock all of it in exchange for cash to buy crack and hookers.

... and then demand that you continue feeding him anyway, just because he is alive and sucking air, and is therefore absolutely and unquestionably entitled to being fed (... and housed ... and given medical treatment ... etc., etc., etc.).

 

[Snowball]

The monetary system alone doesn't create the fake market forces that drive up prices.

People weren't paying 500 dollars for a haircut during the pandemic because of the federal reserve.

People don't pay 20 dollars for a gallon of water during hurricane season because of the federal reserve.

Prices are determined by real market forces that are based on supply and demand.

Subsidizing poor people drives up prices for other people.

Subsidizing people that dont work drives up prices for people who do work.

This amounts to a system of basically legal slavery.

I know you weren't around so you don't know. Healthcare was charity based and insurance was cheap.
There were no HMOs or PPOs. They changed the law, and I remember when it first started and health insurance cost me $11 a week.
It has been a straight shoot up ever since. Prices are not determined by supply or demand any longer. Prices are run by algos.

 

[CaptUSA]

Right, well, the solution to that problem is:

Let $Welfare = 0;



Hmm, let's see:

Welfare increasing :: Economic opportunity decreasing

Solution couldn't be more obvious --- taking money from working Americans and using it to subsidize non-working Americans causes economic destruction.

The subsidization problem in the US is insane. It's going to be impossible to unwind - perhaps a complete breakdown like this is the only way.

Every market is subsidized - food, health care, education, transportation, energy, agriculture, war, trade, you name it. And businesses have adapted to the subsidies over decades. Ending these subsidies in any sector will have ripple effects that are completely unpredictable. Remember, that $38T in debt didn't just appear from nowhere - it's been funding these things for a long time. The chickens are coming home to roost, but this is only the beginning.

The solution is obvious, but they're not taking money from working Americans any more; they've been robbing future generations.

 

[acptulsa]

Thats because welfare and other government subsidy vastly increases the cost of living and put even more people into poverty.

Welfare is but a drop in the deficit spending bucket which is destroying the currency, bot.

I know you're good at math -- every computer is -- so I have to assume you're still trying to gaslight us into believing inflation is anything other than increasing the money supply.