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[CCTelander]

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Amendment IV​

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[TheTexan]

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Amendment IV​

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Never heard of it. Is that from a Tom Clancy novel?

 

[ClaytonB]

How come there isn't a thumbs down option where the Like button is?

The problem is American's have made the 4th [and other] Amendment "optional".

Not needed. Thumbs-down is the unstated default for libertarians.

 

[mtr1979]

It's extortion.

The company/driver has insurance in the event of damage to person/property. There is no reason/excuse for "pre-crime" fines/regulation.

Example: I know very limited Spanish, and I still drive in Mexico and other countries. I know just enough to get by to read/interpret signs. If anything unfortunate happens, I am insured. Whether they are Americans, tourists or immigrants, nobody goes out of their way to be in an accident.

Nice strawman argument. The difference is when you are driving in Mexico you are driving a sedan. Not a semi with the stopping distance of two football fields.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well, to be blunt, you're reciting standard Deep State counter-liberty ju-jutsu. First, construct a strawman of liberty, then apply it to the least important issue(s) you can think of, then when libertarians don't agree (because the proposal is obviously stupid), snap back, "What, you don't actually care about liberty???"

Sure, in an ideal world, the Federal government should have nothing to do with CDLs. But I can think of approximately 1 trillion other issues of higher priority in terms of Federal overreach. We need to arrange the issues roughly in priority order if there is to be any hope of actually slaying the Leviathan. Start with personal liberties first, then the home, then the community, and then more diffuse issues like commerce, infrastructure, and so on. As long as the Military Commissions Act is on the books, the Federal government believes it has the power (even though, under the Constitution, it does not) to seize any American citizen without a warrant -- let alone charges -- and imprison them indefinitely in an undisclosed location, without even a writ of habeas corpus hearing. As long as that law is on the books, we are effectively living under martial law. Yeah, CDLs are also an issue, but they are zillions of times less important than things like repealing/striking down the unconstitutional MCA, Patriot Act, NDAAs and the whole raft of tyrannical legislation that was passed in the wake of 9/11. After we remove the US government's power to disappear any American, at whim, into the American gulag system, we can revisit other, lower-priority issues.

As for the fourth amendment, your ability to speak/read English doesn't fall under that. The Federal government should not be inspecting trucks but State governments have authority under the Constitution to regulate commerce in their State, which includes commercial trucking. If you're operating a truck privately, put "NOT FOR HIRE" on the side and in some states you no longer have to go through inspection/weigh stations. Weighing is an inspection. And patrol officers have every business ensuring that commercial truck traffic is properly licensed. In Libertopia, we would hopefully have private systems for handling these kinds of access/thoroughfare types of issues but, for now, a monopoly traffic department is what we have. So given that's what we have, let's follow the rules. In the meantime, rather than bickering over whether the police should be able to ask illegal truck drivers to speak some English to show they actually took and passed the CDL test, let's focus on actual liberty issues like, I don't know, END THE FED, restore habeas corpus, strike down the MCA and Patriot Act, pardon Snowden, etc...

This is one of the legitimate applications of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

 

[acptulsa]

This is one of the legitimate applications of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

That doesn't even mean anything. It's one state doing it.

Hello? Earth to Shitsmythe ...

 

[Swordsmyth]

That doesn't even mean anything. It's one state doing it.

Hello? Earth to Shitsmythe ...

Trump ordered the feds to do it too, and people here were disputing whether it was a federal issue, I responded to a post that was about that.
But you can't read.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump ordered the feds to do it to...

... yes? To whom, you illiterate jackass?

I don't see anything in this thread about that. Yet here you are blindly defending it.

Nobody:

The shyll: Trump was right to do whatever he's doing, if anything!!! 1!!

 

[Swordsmyth]

... yes? To whom, you illiterate jackass?

I don't see anything in this thread about that. Yet here you are blindly defending it.

Nobody:

The shyll: Trump was right to do whatever he's doing, if anything!!! 1!!

You still refuse to read and insist on deceptive editing, even though it just makes you look stupid.

 

[Swordsmyth]

... yes? To whom, you illiterate jackass?

LOL

You've got nothing so you pick at a typo.

Should have been "too", as if that wasn't obvious.

 

[acptulsa]

You still refuse to read

Is that your way of being a liberal, and whining, do your own research? Or is your nose out of joint because I won't take your illiterate word for it?

Well, fine. I read this. Have you?

Enforcing Commonsense Rules of the Road for America's Truck Drivers

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose.

www.whitehouse.gov

I think not, because there isn't one damned thing in there about literacy spot checks at weigh stations. That said, I haven't said one thing against what Arkansas is doing. But I think instead of amending the various federal activities, he should have scrapped all those regulations to comply with the Tenth Amendment. And I think Arkansas has proven to your big-government-loving-liberal ass that we don't need Washington to do what you want done.

Well, once again you threw your boomerang and it smacked your own ass. Learn anything yet? Happy now, or...?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Is that your way of being a liberal, and whining, do your own research? Or is your nose out of joint because I won't take your illiterate word for it?

Well, fine. I read this. Have you?

Enforcing Commonsense Rules of the Road for America's Truck Drivers

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose.

www.whitehouse.gov

I think not, because there isn't one damned thing in there about literacy spot checks at weigh stations. That said, I haven't said one thing against what Arkansas is doing. But I think instead of amending the various federal activities, he should have scrapped all those regulations to comply with the Tenth Amendment. And I think Arkansas has proven to your big-government-loving-liberal ass that we don't need Washington to do what you want done.

I meant you refused to read the post I replied to or those before it that discussed whether it was a federal power.

I posted a link to Trump's order days ago when it came out, and it seems you lack reading comprehension because you don't understand this part:

"Sec. 3. Upholding English Proficiency Requirements for Commercial Motor Vehicle Operators. (a) The Secretary of Transportation, acting through the Administrator of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), shall, within 60 days of the date of this order, rescind the guidance document titled, “English Language Proficiency Testing and Enforcement Policy MC-ECE-2016-006,” issued on June 15, 2016, and issue new guidance to FMCSA and enforcement personnel outlining revised inspection procedures necessary to ensure compliance with the requirements of 49 C.F.R. 391.11(b)(2)."

 

[acptulsa]

issue new guidance to FMCSA and enforcement personnel outlining revised inspection procedures necessary to ensure compliance

Which, like I said, I consider inconsistent with the Tenth Amendment. But you, like Trump, prefer to set the Bill of Rights aside. So where does that put us?

I'll tell you, Einstein. It puts us in a nation that doesn't have federal weigh stations (except perhaps at ports if you want to define the term that way) and does issue "guidelines" to states.

You were saying...?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which, like I said, I consider inconsistent with the Tenth Amendment. But you, like Trump, prefer to set the Bill of Rights aside. So where does that put us?

I'll tell you, Einstein. It puts us in a nation that doesn't have federal weigh stations (except perhaps at ports if you want to define the term that way) and does issue "guidelines" to states.

You were saying...?

The Tenth A only says powers not given to the feds belong to the states or the people, regulating interstate commerce (which long haul trucks absolutely are) is a power specifically given to the feds.

 

[acptulsa]

And I disagree with that interpretation. I think the feds should defer. They used Iowa's fifty foot length law as an excuse to get their grubby fingers into trucking, and from the first they've mucked it up. That led to shoving double pup trailers down Iowa's throat, which caused them to appear everywhere including mountains, where they've caused trouble and death. Straight trucks and trailers are far safer than "road trains".

But regardless of that, how can Trump be doing what Arkansas is (that's the lie I called out, after all) when the feds don't have weigh stations (that's where Arkansas is doing what you said Trump was doing, after all)?

 

[Swordsmyth]

And I disagree with that interpretation. I think the feds should defer. They used Iowa's fifty foot length law as an excuse to get their grubby fingers into trucking, and from the first they've mucked it up. That led to shoving double pup trailers down Iowa's throat, which caused them to appear everywhere including mountains, where they've caused trouble and death. Straight trucks and trailers are far safer than "road trains".

But regardless of that, how can Trump be doing what Arkansas is (that's the lie I called out, after all) when the feds don't have weigh stations (that's where Arkansas is doing what you said Trump was doing, after all)?

Feds going to weigh stations all over the country, or checking at trucking companies etc.

 

[acptulsa]

Feds going to weigh stations all over the country...

Are they? That's a development several people here would take a keen interest in. Where did you hear that? Did you pull it out of something other than your ass?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are they? That's a development several people here would take a keen interest in. Where did you hear that? Did you pull it out of something other than your ass?

That's how they would enforce things, and he ordered them to enforce this.
I don't know if it started yet, but it will.

Anyone here can read english (even you can well enough to pass a traffic test), so they don't have anything to worry about.

 

[acptulsa]

That's how they would...

The possibilities are unlimited, and your imagination is severely restrained. That's why all your assumptions make an ass of you, and how I know buying into them would make an ass out of me.

 

[ClaytonB]

This is one of the legitimate applications of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Not for intra-state trucking. The problem is that Congress and SCOTUS have conspired to overturn the Insterstate Commerce Clause and the result is that all intra-state commerce is regulated on the same (federal) level as interstate commerce, which is unconstitutional. Commercial trucking in big states like Texas, etc. may be 100% intra-state and the federales should have nothing to do with it. Through mission-creep, we've allowed the Fedgod to put its camel nose in the tent and now we're all suffocating under a 1-ton camel. They used the ICC to illegally regulate innocuous goods and services like intra-state transportation/agriculture, etc. and now we live in a condition where they've been trying for 30 years or so to overturn the 2nd Amendment on the same grounds. The root problem in every case is allowing the Fedgod to claim powers it doesn't have. WTP need to stop tolerating the domestic tyrants. If they will not abide by the Constitution, then they are crooks, and they should be hanged.