Weigel: Is Rand Paul in a fight w/ Chris Christie, or w/ the entire GOP mega-donor class?

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Cant stand Weigel, but he hits the nail on the head.

Christie the Redeemer
Is Rand Paul in a fight with Chris Christie, or with the entire GOP mega-donor class?
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_pol...r_the_gop_s_super_rich_the_gop_wants_the.html

Two summers ago, after Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels decided not to run for president, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was summoned to meet Henry Kissinger. “When he called me into his office,” Christie told Washington Post reporter Dan Balz, “he just said, ‘The country needs a change and you connect with people in a way that I haven’t seen a politician connect with someone in a long time.’ ”

Kissinger’s pitch is a highlight of Balz’s forthcoming campaign book Collision 2012. Christie, as other early readers have noted, hardly needs prodding to talk about how many “unsolicited phone calls” came in asking him to run. In context he’s fairly dazzled about the attention—and revealing about what the GOP icons and donors planned for him. He told Kissinger that he honestly didn’t think he could run yet.

“I haven’t given any deep thought to foreign policy,” Christie admitted.

“Don’t worry about that,” said Kissinger, according to Christie. “We can work with you on that. Foreign policy is instinct, it’s character, that’s what foreign policy is.”

The advice has started jumping off the page. At a Thursday forum with Republican governors in Aspen, Colo., Christie spoke with disgust about “this strain of libertarianism” from people “not on the front line” who were criticizing tactics in the war on terror.

“As a former prosecutor who was appointed by George W. Bush on Sept.10, 2001, I just want us to be very cautious,” said Christie. “What we as a country have to decide is: Do we have amnesia? Because I don’t. I remember what we felt like on Sept. 12, 2001.” A moderator floated the name of one possible amnesiac, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, and Christie ran with it. “I love all these esoteric debates we’re gettin’ into—these esoteric, intellectual debates. I want these people to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. They won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation.”

In less time than it takes a magician to saw a woman in half, Christie had morphed into Rudy Giuliani. Kissinger’s instincts were right: He’s not just a good demagogue, he’s in alignment with what the wise-man and donor classes want from their party.

There’s a certain indignity in writing about a presidential race three years before the party conventions. At some point a furloughed shipbuilder in Norfolk is going to get so tired of reading 2016 speculation instead of sequestration coverage that he’ll embed an ice pick in a pundit’s head, and the jury will let him off. But Christie’s remark was about what the GOP elite wants now. The donor class wants to restore a GOP that cuts taxes at home, wins wars abroad, and (for the moment) allows more immigrants to provide cheap labor.

They’ve been saying this for years. A while after the Kissinger meeting, Christie met with at least 50 and as many as 60 wealthy people, gathered together by Home Depot founder Ken Langone. (Politico’s Mike Allen, at the time, said 50; Balz says 60.) David Koch was there, as was hedge fund manager Paul Tudor Jones. The point of the meeting, according to Christie, was for Langone to tell him that “everyone in this room will raise every dollar you need.”


But what were their politics? Jones had donated to Obama in 2007—he’d co-sponsored a fundraiser with George Soros. Koch, bogeyman status aside, has said he supports legal gay marriage, decriminalized marijuana, and defense cuts. “It’s essential to be able to achieve spending reductions and maybe it’s going to require some tax increases,” he told Politico’s Ken Vogel in 2012. Even Langone served on New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s transition team.

These guys aren’t outliers. As Alec MacGillis points out in the New Republic, one of Christie’s most passionate wealthy backers is Paul Singer. That name curdles in the mouths of anti-gay marriage activists: Singer has given more than $4 million to gay rights causes, and gets some credit for New York’s 2012 marriage law. He also happens to consider the Obama administration dangerously weak on Israel, but he has company. Sheldon Adelson, who effectively set $100 million on fire with donations to 2012 GOP campaigns, is right-wing on Israel and labor unions and taxes and … that’s about it. “I’m basically a social liberal,” he told the Wall Street Journal last year. “I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-the DREAM Act.”

The resurgence of libertarianism in the GOP means different things to these donors—some of them are happy to see marijuana legalizers get their footing. By and large they want the party to get behind some form of immigration reform (Bob Perry, the old Swift Boat vets donor, was a believer). Rand Paul was aware of that when he rebranded himself as a possible reformer, saying enough to move the bill along with conservatives without actually endorsing their plan.

Alas, the pure libertarians aren’t compatible with the rest of their views. The donor class that wanted Christie, settled for Romney, and wants Christie again needs a candidate who’ll slash at regulation in office and come off patriotic (and pro-Israel) enough to actually get into office. There’s plenty of overlap with the conservative hawks who can feel the movement shifting away from them, but libertarians are more worried about the donors than the likes of Bill Kristol or Rep. Peter King. One example: Rand Paul’s circle worries that Paul Singer may become enamored of the idea of a pro-gay marriage hawk and boost Liz Cheney’s campaign for U.S. Senate.

Every week there’s another reminder that the GOP’s libertarian wing hasn’t truly overcome the Bush wing.
Back in Aspen, Christie gave them more fresh evidence. “President Obama has done nothing to change the policies of the Bush administration in the war on terrorism,” he said. “I mean practically nothing. You know why? Because they work.”
 
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Kissinger is pushing Christie?????????????????? Rand's life is in danger. Jesus!!!
 
This is why I've felt for a while that Christie has a better chance than Rubio of winning the nomination and being the establishmnet choice. There are huge differences between Christie and Ghouliani. Christie has a ton of backing from the major power brokers and will have the resources for a primary and general election

It's pretty crucial that Rand is the evangelical choice.
 
I think it was the late Gore Vidal who once told his friend Pat Buchanan bluntly, "They'll never let you win." I think this article explains what Rand Paul is pitted against.
 
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This is why I've felt for a while that Christie has a better chance than Rubio of winning the nomination and being the establishmnet choice. There are huge differences between Christie and Ghouliani. Christie has a ton of backing from the major power brokers and will have the resources for a primary and general election

It's pretty crucial that Rand is the evangelical choice.

He will be. Beck is very close with the Rev. Billy Graham. Also, remember that James Dobson endorsed Rand Paul after learning that the McConnell people misstated Rand's positions. Rand will do fine with Evangelicals, who are very wary of the dark path the neoconservative wing has led them on.
 
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He will be. Beck is very close with the Rev. Billy Graham. Also, remember that James Dobson endorsed Rand Paul after learning that the McConnell people misstated Rand's positions. Rand will do fine with Evangelicals, who are very wary of the dark path the neoconservative wing has led them on.

As a Christian, I can tell you that Rand does not speak like a Christian when he is speaking to evangelical groups. Not that it matters, but its just my observation.
 
its like the article missed the meat, while almost giving you all the parts of the meat.
mega-donors decide the president.
policy hasn't changed from one president to the next.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
It's an interesting coincidence that folks like Christie and Hannity started their gigs the very day before 9/11.
 
I think it was the late Gore Vidal who once told his friend Pat Buchanan bluntly, "They'll never let you win." I think this article explains what Rand Paul is pitted against.

Even if he gets in there, they'll just collapse everything and blame it on him. Ron's political campaigns were great because he had no chance of winning. We don't want anyone near the helm of this titanic-like disaster at this point.
 
so there are no big donors on our side?

I don't think to the same degree. He should be able to raise a lot of money, but not like Christie. There is a HUGE bias against Rand being electable.

Just Peter Thiel.

I would bet that he will get more than just Peter Thiel. Andy Beal will likely support him. Good chance the Koch Brothers will help him. And I'm guessing there will be a lot more random successful entrepreneurs that will support Rand than Ron.
 
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But Christie’s remark was about what the GOP elite wants now. The donor class wants to restore a GOP that cuts taxes at home, wins wars abroad, and (for the moment) allows more immigrants to provide cheap labor.

Winning the wars doesn't seem to be very important. Just fighting them. Forever.
 
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The article tries to say that this is a single group, but it is not. It is two groups, with varying degrees of overlap.

Most of the first group could get behind Rand:

The donor class wants to restore a GOP that cuts taxes at home, wins wars abroad, and (for the moment) allows more immigrants to provide cheap labor.

The second group is the one that has declared war upon Rand, Ted Cruz and Amash. They would best be described as the Israel-firsters (US after). Many also label them as modern day Trotskyite socialists. They don't care about the size and scope of the US government, the debt, socialism, the erosion of the Constitution, or the secret Police state. Kristol and Krauthammer are in this group. The description of Adelson below sums it up:

As Alec MacGillis points out in the New Republic, one of Christie’s most passionate wealthy backers is Paul Singer. That name curdles in the mouths of anti-gay marriage activists: Singer has given more than $4 million to gay rights causes, and gets some credit for New York’s 2012 marriage law. He also happens to consider the Obama administration dangerously weak on Israel, but he has company. Sheldon Adelson, who effectively set $100 million on fire with donations to 2012 GOP campaigns, is right-wing on Israel and labor unions and taxes and … that’s about it. “I’m basically a social liberal,” he told the Wall Street Journal last year. “I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-the DREAM Act.”
 
Thanks for sharing this. Important article...probably...
Weigel, hate him and...tolerate him.
I always enjoy seeing him on the campaign trail(s).
I saw him at CPAC recently...he knows me from the 2007 campaign for Ron Paul - he really did and does embed himself to understand the movement. He visited our little cabin of RP supporters in NH back then - really took time to get to know us. He always has a dagger for our backs, but he provides some good coverage.
 
Just Peter Thiel.

True enough when it was Ron leading the charge, but with Rand at the helm, we're going to have more than enough uber rich donors lined up to go toe-to-toe with the old-money establishment.

re: Thiel + half of silicon valley + Steve Wynn + Patrick Byrne (overstock.com) + John Mackey (Whole Foods) + dozens of other deca-millionaires.
 
Screw the megadonors! People like Sheldon Adelson don't belong in the Republican party anyway. They are just looking for special benefits for themselves and their friends in Israel.
 
As Alec MacGillis points out in the New Republic, one of Christie’s most passionate wealthy backers is Paul Singer. That name curdles in the mouths of anti-gay marriage activists: Singer has given more than $4 million to gay rights causes, and gets some credit for New York’s 2012 marriage law. He also happens to consider the Obama administration dangerously weak on Israel, but he has company. Sheldon Adelson, who effectively set $100 million on fire with donations to 2012 GOP campaigns, is right-wing on Israel and labor unions and taxes and … that’s about it. “I’m basically a social liberal,” he told the Wall Street Journal last year. “I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-the DREAM Act.”

Basically wealthy Jews, hawkish on Israel. That's the only kind who might be attracted to the Republican party, as I argued before. But of course, they are fully in line with the Democrats on every other issue.
 
Where does Kissinger get off saying "WE can work with you on that." Who the hell is "we?" Go freshen your drink you murderous war criminal.
 
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Alas, the pure libertarians aren’t compatible with the rest of their views. The donor class that wanted Christie, settled for Romney, and wants Christie again needs a candidate who’ll slash at regulation in office and come off patriotic (and pro-Israel) enough to actually get into office.

This bit is hysterical.

No, Mr Wiegel, donors like Adelson and Singer don't want GOP politicians to merely come off pro-Israel, they actually want them to worship the Jewish state. American people by and large don't care about Israel. The mega-donors do.
 
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