We Went to the Town Elon Musk Is Poisoning

[jmdrake]

 

[Danke]

They should just move the people from around those AI centers to reservations. @oyarde's people could teach them new skills.

 

[oyarde]

They should just move the people around those AI centers to reservations. @oyarde's people could teach them new skills.

Uh negative. Once youve seen everything I have you see how unimpressive ordinary intelligence is you dont want any exposure to anyone that thinks artificial intelligence will be of any use around here.

 

[CaptUSA]

TLDW. Again.

Drake, a little snippet would be helpful so we don't have to watch a 20 minute propaganda piece just to get the information.


If this is what I think it is, it's about their data centers using gas turbine generators?? If so, it's because the permitting process for utility interconnections for loads of this size are ridiculous. And it takes years (maybe a decade) to build out the upgrades. Lots of these data centers are using "temporary" generators to meet the energy needs. It's a real problem.

The other real problem is that the way the regulated utility system works, the costs of the upgrades of this magnitude to the grid are usually socialized. There are lots of people in the industry working on this, but there's no "easy" solution. We need more energy, but we've had decades of under-investment. These data centers are using work-arounds until better solutions come about.

 

[jmdrake]

TLDW. Again.

Drake, a little snippet would be helpful so we don't have to watch a 20 minute propaganda piece just to get the information.

Wow! People post hour long videos all the time. (Every Ron Paul Liberty Report is nearly an hour). And you want people to watch hour long Thomas Sowell propaganda videos. But okay. I actually know what's going on because I know people on the ground in Memphis including on the City Council and Elon Musk had bribed council members to go along with this nonsense. It would be one thing if the energy was generated for the people of Memphis, but it's not.

If this is what I think it is, it's about their data centers using gas turbine generators?? If so, it's because the permitting process for utility interconnections for loads of this size are ridiculous. And it takes years (maybe a decade) to build out the upgrades. Lots of these data centers are using "temporary" generators to meet the energy needs. It's a real problem.

The other real problem is that the way the regulated utility system works, the costs of the upgrades of this magnitude to the grid are usually socialized. There are lots of people in the industry working on this, but there's no "easy" solution. We need more energy, but we've had decades of under-investment. These data centers are using work-arounds until better solutions come about.

Here's a solution. Put the damn data center on Epstein's Island and use Starlink for the uplink to the mainland. There's no reason the data center has to be located in a densely populated area.

 

[CaptUSA]

Here's a solution. Put the damn data center on Epstein's Island and use Starlink for the uplink to the mainland. There's no reason the data center has to be located in a densely populated area.

Lol - as Thomas Sowell would say, there are no solutions - only trade-offs. But I like your trade-off!

The trade-off is that you need labor to build and run these things and lots of materials to move and big energy needs beyond the generators. And shipping and consulting that require big airports. The communications network alone is huge. You either go where that infrastructure exists and provide jobs to the area or you move the whole operation somewhere else. I think we agree that this should be part of the cost of the product, but what politician is going to turn away that many jobs in his district? So, while the people might like our trade-off, the politicians have the exact opposite incentive.

 

[jmdrake]

Lol - as Thomas Sowell would say, there are no solutions - only trade-offs. But I like your trade-off!

The trade-off is that you need labor to build and run these things and lots of materials to move and big energy needs beyond the generators. And shipping and consulting that require big airports. The communications network alone is huge. You either go where that infrastructure exists and provide jobs to the area or you move the whole operation somewhere else. I think we agree that this should be part of the cost of the product, but what politician is going to turn away that many jobs in his district? So, while the people might like our trade-off, the politicians have the exact opposite incentive.

So basically it's more economical to build it in a poor mostly black city, health risks be damned.

For the record, I know of at least 1 politician in the district who's been threatened to keep quiet. And another politician from the district is speaking out in the video I posted. Money isn't everything. Once someone's health is ruined sometimes it's impossible to get it back. Using polluted water in Flint Michigan seemed like a financial win for some people at the time, but how much will society pay over the years for the children who drank lead polluted water? And yes. It's hard to bring new power plants online. It's the NIMBY problem. (Not In My Back Yard). This is what is being pumped into the air from Musk's data center.

Engine Exhaust | US EPA

Natural gas-fired engines and turbines are used to run compressors throughout the natural gas value chain. In many operations, the natural gas stream is used to power these engines and turbines. Methane emissions result from incomplete combustion.

www.epa.gov

The combustion process in the engines and turbines result in a number of air pollutants, including nitrogen oxides (NOx), sulfur oxides (SOx), carbon monoxide (CO), volatile organic compounds (VOC), and methane in small proportions. Nitrogen oxides are formed from the reaction of oxygen with either atmospheric or fuel-bound nitrogen during the combustion process. Sulfur oxides are formed from the reaction of oxygen with hydrogen sulfide (H2S) and mercaptan sulfur in fuel gas. Methane emissions occur as a result of incomplete combustion of the natural gas fuel. These methane emissions are also sometimes referred to as “combustion slip.” Methane emissions also result from leaks in the fuel gas supply line to the engine or during engine malfunctions.

Unlike the fake CO2 "global warming" hysteria, this is real pollution. And it's concentrated in one populated area.

 

[CaptUSA]

So basically it's more economical to build it in a poor mostly black city, health risks be damned.

There you go again...

Try living next to a paper mill. An oil refinery. A steel mill. A chemical plant.

For some reason, you think these things are unique. There are trade-offs. If you want the jobs and economic activity, there are usually costs. Has NOTHING to do with race. But if you want to see things, you will see what you want to see.

 

[Danke]

Uh negative. Once youve seen everything I have you see how unimpressive ordinary intelligence is you dont want any exposure to anyone that thinks artificial intelligence will be of any use around here.

Your reservation could use more diversity.

 

[jmdrake]

There you go again...

There I go again? I'm not the one who put a health hazard in a populated area in Memphis. There you go again ignoring obvious power dynamics because you are alergic to the "R" word. FFS an actual neo Nazi is gaining traction in Republican circles now. Stop the cap. (If you don't know whtat the phrase means look it up.) Seriously, if you have been around during the early 1900s you would have pointed to the lynching of Leo Frank and said "See! The KKK kills white people do so they aren't racist."

Try living next to a paper mill. An oil refinery. A steel mill. A chemical plant.

For some reason, you think these things are unique. There are trade-offs. If you want the jobs and economic activity, there are usually costs. Has NOTHING to do with race. But if you want to see things, you will see what you want to see.

Straw man argument. I didn't say it was unique. Something can affect one group more than the other and not be unique. It's funny that CONservatives only see race when the argument cuts against black people. "Muh ratios" and all that crap only matter then. Here's a funny thing. There's chemical depot near the neighborhood where I used to live back in the 1970s. It was a nice middle class almost exclusively black neighborhood. Now it's being gentrified. The modest but well build single family homes are being torn down and the 2 to 3 story "yuppie shotgun" houses are being built in their place and mostly white people are moving in. The chemical depot is still there. (Land is that scare now in Nashville Davidson County. These ritzy homes are even being build right up to the projects.)

If you think that an open racist like Elon Musk, who wants to bring in Indians under H1B visas, went all the way from Texas to freaking Memphis Tennessee for his data center for any reason other than he knew he'd get less pushback from what's seen as a politically disempowered minority group then you're naive beyond believe. You don't even know anything about the politics of Memphis. And yes, many of the black politicians are corrupt and are preying on their own people.

 

[jmdrake]

Here are "muh ratios" for people like @CaptUSA. 78% of black people live within 30 miles of a coal fired power plant.

Environmental Racism

Environmental Racism

www.climaterealityproject.org

A 2018 EPA study (during Trump's first term) found that African American's faced a 28% higher enviornmental health burden than whites.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/375289-epa-scientists-find-emissions-greater-impact-low-income-communities/

Sure. White people live near these places too. But not nearly at the same rate as Arican Americans.

 

[oyarde]

Your reservation could use more diversity.

Your reservation could use more diversity.

Diversity is when i switch from my 100 pr old grand dad to my gifted bottle of eagle rare or buy some 12 gauge number fives instead of number fours