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Ahhh....Angela!! Braveheart is my all time favorite movie! You gotta watch it! I saw it when it came out in the theatre only because I was a Gibson fan. I've probably seen it 50 times since. Check this little ensemble out:



Love the song....CRANK IT UP!!!!



I'm derailing my own thread, someone report me....


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I really wish Ron Paul wasn't such an honest man. In some ways, it would have been pretty awesome to have them approve an entirely different speech than the one he ultimately delivered. But that's not his nature, and if it was, we wouldn't be here.

I've had the same thoughts before, but in the end it's probably for the best that he did what he did: They would have cut the microphone off the instant he went off script, and we'd never hear the end of Ron Paul being a liar who goes back on his word. :rolleyes:
 
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I had a conversation with Dr. Paul about this. They offered him a speaking spot but he had to say certain things that he wasn't willing to say. He never told me they required him to endorse Romney in order to speak.

And I don't agree that we need them. "Them" is the establishment. "Them" is the sheeple. The GOP is in ruins. We don't need them, they need us.

You may notice that Paul only has, what, 2 million supporters? You think you can win a presidency with that? The Republicans or the Democrats are both parties of coalition. So is the "Ron Paul" movement: libertarians, independents, establishment Republican defectors, and libertarian-Republicans. This coalition is no where near large enough to win a presidency. Do they need "Ron Paul" people? No. They need the coalition we've all formed.

I was going on what I heard Ron say on various interviews. As a general rule you don't get on the stage if you support someone else for president.
 
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You may notice that Paul only has, what, 2 million supporters? You think you can win a presidency with that? The Republicans or the Democrats are both parties of coalition. So is the "Ron Paul" movement: libertarians, independents, establishment Republican defectors, and libertarian-Republicans. This coalition is no where near large enough to win a presidency. Do they need "Ron Paul" people? No. They need the coalition we've all formed.

I was going on what I heard Ron say on various interviews. As a general rule you don't get on the stage if you support someone else for president.

1 Million that identify republican, preferred Ron Paul over other candidates, AND voted in the primary. (If they knew who he was in spite of the media tricks)
+2 Million. This is the estimated number of suspected non-republican supporters who did not, could not, or refused to vote in a republican primary who would have voted for Paul in the general if given the opportunity. For example by the time Michigan's turn came, The media was already declaring Romney the victor. How many stayed home?
OR how about...
+Libertarians... (300,000 - 400,000 that (bother to) reliably vote every 4 years that didn't likely vote in the republican primary.
+20,000,0000 Independents...(Estimates ranged from 25-40% support among independents, that preferred Paul over other candidates) This number would go as high as 20,000,000. 30%+ of the electorate identifies as Independent. MOST of the people don't vote in primaries because of the lack of party affiliation or identity.
+Other Republicans. If given the opportunity to vote for Ron Paul over Obama, Republicans voted for Paul reliably. This is the group that preferred Romney, who lost because of the lack of support among Independents
+Democrats... many "Democrats" and "Independents who lean Democrat" Don't even know who Ron Paul is...But when they Do, they tend to like him.
+World... Easily the most popular candidate internationally with the exception of the president himself.

Easily the hardest group to work with, is the republicans themselves. We are trying to fix what's broken. We aren't all that worried about democrats, They've never heard of a pro-liberty, peace, anti-cronyist Republican, as far many of them know, one doesn't exist. Who knows how they would react to a Ron Paul candidacy if given the opportunity. What we do know, is that they didn't even give Romney a second glance. That's obvious. The republican party did everything it could to abandon growing the party base, and rejected the one candidate that actually did.

The point isn't that we will win a presidency with these numbers. The point is that you can't win one without us. This outcome was predicted. We even knew why. And like Ron said...they are scratching their heads. 2 Million was the difference in this election. BUT, 12 Million didn't even bother to show up that did 4 years ago. And then a record number voted for Johnson.

By my estimate, that's 14+ million who now know too much to continue to vote for that same crap that has us in this mess and has us shut out from the conversation. Most of them, interestingly came from the group that 4 years ago, vote for Obama. Isn't that interesting. That, I think, is the safest estimate. Still not enough to win, but FAR more than enough to decide an election.
 
1 Million that identify republican, preferred Ron Paul over other candidates, AND voted in the primary. (If they knew who he was in spite of the media tricks)
+2 Million. This is the estimated number of suspected non-republican supporters who did not, could not, or refused to vote in a republican primary who would have voted for Paul in the general if given the opportunity. For example by the time Michigan's turn came, The media was already declaring Romney the victor. How many stayed home?
OR how about...
+Libertarians... (300,000 - 400,000 that (bother to) reliably vote every 4 years that didn't likely vote in the republican primary.
+20,000,0000 Independents...(Estimates ranged from 25-40% support among independents, that preferred Paul over other candidates) This number would go as high as 20,000,000. 30%+ of the electorate identifies as Independent. MOST of the people don't vote in primaries because of the lack of party affiliation or identity.
+Other Republicans. If given the opportunity to vote for Ron Paul over Obama, Republicans voted for Paul reliably. This is the group that preferred Romney, who lost because of the lack of support among Independents
+Democrats... many "Democrats" and "Independents who lean Democrat" Don't even know who Ron Paul is...But when they Do, they tend to like him.
+World... Easily the most popular candidate internationally with the exception of the president himself.

Easily the hardest group to work with, is the republicans themselves. We are trying to fix what's broken. We aren't all that worried about democrats, They've never heard of a pro-liberty, peace, anti-cronyist Republican, as far many of them know, one doesn't exist. Who knows how they would react to a Ron Paul candidacy if given the opportunity. What we do know, is that they didn't even give Romney a second glance. That's obvious. The republican party did everything it could to abandon growing the party base, and rejected the one candidate that actually did.

The point isn't that we will win a presidency with these numbers. The point is that you can't win one without us. This outcome was predicted. We even knew why. And like Ron said...they are scratching their heads. 2 Million was the difference in this election. BUT, 12 Million didn't even bother to show up that did 4 years ago. And then a record number voted for Johnson.

By my estimate, that's 14+ million who now know too much to continue to vote for that same crap that has us in this mess and has us shut out from the conversation. Most of them, interestingly came from the group that 4 years ago, vote for Obama. Isn't that interesting. That, I think, is the safest estimate. Still not enough to win, but FAR more than enough to decide an election.

And then there are the Republicans who just didn't show up. I'm talking about old line Republicans. Some may have been reluctant to vote for a Mormon; I have no idea how many that would be, nor do I have any comment about them. More simply didn't want to hold their noses and vote for another 'moderate' farther to the 'left' than any previous Republican nominee. And no doubt more than a few saw the corruption and incompetence of the Big Dig, and the mess that is Massachusetts State Health Care, and simply didn't trust the guy.

Are we up to 25 million yet? Probably not. But you'll never convince me that Ron Paul would not have kicked Obama's ass right back to Hawaii. Given the nomination, only Diebold could have stopped him.
 
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You may notice that Paul only has, what, 2 million supporters? You think you can win a presidency with that? The Republicans or the Democrats are both parties of coalition. So is the "Ron Paul" movement: libertarians, independents, establishment Republican defectors, and libertarian-Republicans. This coalition is no where near large enough to win a presidency. Do they need "Ron Paul" people? No. They need the coalition we've all formed.

I was going on what I heard Ron say on various interviews. As a general rule you don't get on the stage if you support someone else for president.

You have a pretty solid habit of disingenuity.

NOBODY wins election with just their supporters alone. Not Reagan, not Clinton, nobody. Well, maybe George Washington, but that's about it.

And the last two Presidential elections prove overwhelmingly that they do need us if they want to win. McCain and Romney both lost to the worst President in at least the last 100 years. McCain admittedly before America knew how bad Obama would be (We Paulers pretty much knew how bad it would be.) And in BOTH cases, the LP and Write-in votes in the swing states meant the margin between victory and defeat. A lesson the GOP would be well to heed. We are sticking to our guns and we aren't budging. Constitution or bust!

We are the strict Constitutionalist block. So long as the Republican Party keeps running away from the Constitution they will continue to lose. For the next 8 years or 80. The GOP has two choices, embrace the Constitution and win, or continue to abandon the Constitution and continue to lose.

And most of us who are actually doing what Ron Paul asked us to do ARE building coalitions -- our candidates who win the downballot races (Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massey, Hightower, myself) do so because we have built coalitions with the Tea Parties, Fiscal Conservatives, Goldwaterites, and Taftians.

You sure do have a lot of sure knowledge about things you really don't know...
 
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