We Urgently Need To Revert To Classical Economics

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  • There is such thing as commonly created wealth.
  • LVT is tax shift and does not interfere with individual rights.
  • The Earth is common property.
  • LVT sets people free.
  • The state does not steal the fruits of their labors.

Very clearly stated. Sounds simpleton enough.

Someday, when they put your baby blocks away, and let you out of your common property sandbox, I hope you finally manage to get a life.
 
  • There is such thing as commonly created wealth.
  • LVT is tax shift and does not interfere with individual rights.
  • The Earth is common property.
  • LVT sets people free.
  • The state does not steal the fruits of their labors.

Spot on. Highly factual. What don't you understand about it? I might be able to help you along. I can't help you with your life.
 
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Go beg that question somewhere else. Saying, "steal from everyone", our resident collectivist poopy-pants and his gang of would-be thieves, is where you're all fucked up.
Suppose someone invents a machine that compresses atmospheric air and stores it at extremely low cost. He runs his machine until the earth's atmosphere becomes so thin that people have to pay him for air to breathe, or suffocate. If he has not STOLEN THE AIR FROM EVERYONE, what exactly do you imagine he HAS done? And given that he indisputably HAS stolen the air from everyone, how is his machine different, in principle, from the legal doctrine of private landowning that makes private property of what was previously available to all?
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You have been demolished, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.
 
Suppose someone invents a machine that compresses atmospheric air and stores it at extremely low cost. He runs his machine until the earth's atmosphere becomes so thin that people have to pay him for air to breathe, or suffocate. If he has not STOLEN THE AIR FROM EVERYONE, what exactly do you imagine he HAS done? And given that he indisputably HAS stolen the air from everyone, how is his machine different, in principle, from the legal doctrine of private landowning that makes private property of what was previously available to all?

You have been demolished, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.

There is plenty of land for everyone on Earth.
 
Someday, when they put your baby blocks away, and let you out of your common property sandbox, I hope you finally manage to get a life.
Someday, when you awaken to the true magnitude, depth and horror of the evil you seek to rationalize, defend and excuse, I hope that you don't, in justified self-loathing, commit suicide by an excessively quick and merciful method.
 
There is plenty of land for everyone on Earth.
Its price proves you wrong.

Duh.

There is also plenty of air for everyone on earth, and still would be even if we had to pay thieves for it: it would just not be accessible. Likewise, there is plenty of land for everyone on earth even though we have to pay thieves for it because they have made it inaccessible.
 
Its price proves you wrong.

Duh.

There is also plenty of air for everyone on earth, and still would be even if we had to pay thieves for it: it would just not be accessible. Likewise, there is plenty of land for everyone on earth even though we have to pay thieves for it because they have made it inaccessible.

The price of land is totally distorted due to inflation. That is caused by central planners. Their job is to steal. They counterfeit money and hoard resources. For example, the federal government in the United States owns 650 million acres of land in the western states.
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us
 
Its price proves you wrong.

Duh.

There is also plenty of air for everyone on earth, and still would be even if we had to pay thieves for it: it would just not be accessible. Likewise, there is plenty of land for everyone on earth even though we have to pay thieves for it because they have made it inaccessible
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Apples and oranges. Air is super-abundant and land isn't.
 
And between the two resources, air or land, which is the most likely to be abused or even destroyed? The Air- for the very reason that you cannot own it. If I own land, I am more likely to want to get value from it and to maintain that value. If it is free and freely accessable, then it is much more likely to be abused- such as pumping air pollution into it. There may be a cost if I damage or pollute yoru land- but it is much harder to punish me for polluting the air. As pointed out a while back, the Tragedy of the Commons. If we take away ownership of land and replace it with rents (the LVT is really a rent- not a tax) then the land is less likely to be protected and cared for than if people are allowed to own it.
 
And between the two resources, air or land, which is the most likely to be abused or even destroyed? The Air- for the very reason that you cannot own it. If I own land, I am more likely to want to get value from it and to maintain that value. If it is free and freely accessable, then it is much more likely to be abused- such as pumping air pollution into it. There may be a cost if I damage or pollute yoru land- but it is much harder to punish me for polluting the air. As pointed out a while back, the Tragedy of the Commons. If we take away ownership of land and replace it with rents (the LVT is really a rent- not a tax) then the land is less likely to be protected and cared for than if people are allowed to own it.
+a bunch. IOU a +rep when I get some more.
 
The price of land is totally distorted due to inflation. That is caused by central planners. Their job is to steal. They counterfeit money and hoard resources. For example, the federal government in the United States owns 650 million acres of land in the western states.
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us

Winner!

If you allow Banks and Corporations the power to create and issue currency, they will buy the world. Take what they have stolen away from them, but leave them the power to create and issue currency, with the flip of a pen and a bit of time, they will just buy it all back again.
 
Suppose someone invents a machine that compresses atmospheric air and stores it at extremely low cost. He runs his machine until the earth's atmosphere becomes so thin that people have to pay him for air to breathe, or suffocate. If he has not STOLEN THE AIR FROM EVERYONE, what exactly do you imagine he HAS done? And given that he indisputably HAS stolen the air from everyone, how is his machine different, in principle, from the legal doctrine of private landowning that makes private property of what was previously available to all?

You have been demolished, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.

You just demolished yourself, by self-asphyxiation.

There is only one person between us who believes even the smallest area of Earth "owned" by anyone constitutes a theft from everyone. So by your logic, the inventor has STOLEN THE AIR FROM EVERYONE the moment he ran his air compressor and took in and stored the first few cc's of air without "just compensation to everyone" (via the state) -- not when he finally compressed so much air that literally nobody could breathe without paying rents.

If I really was a super-powerful being who could pull off such a feat in the first place, that would make me the EMPEROR (aka the state). And once I call myself "The State", I instantly have Roy L. on my side, a trusty minion who will act tireless as my loyal devotee and Air Value Tax emissary. And he will go far, as he can even be one of my Army of Competent Air Appraisers. And all because there is only one person between us who believes in monopolistic presumptive ownership of a vital resource by an entity, so long as that entity is the state, and so long as it presumes to simply administrate for a fee on behalf of everyone (to secure "air liberty rights" for everyone, doncha know).

I can then claim that I am only siphoning air out of the atmosphere on everyone's behalf, to make sure that it doesn't get too polluted, or worse yet, "privately" owned by anyone else (because private ownership of air would be evil, natch). As the Air Emperor, and no longer a private entity, I can further claim that by paying me Air Rents (Air Value Tax, or AVT), at least I am the only entity that is in a position to actually take care of the air that I am returning to everyone (for a fee).

Meanwhile, it is also possible (you would argue, given your logic and past arguments) that I could at least be a benevolent Air Emperor. And I will be! Because I will give every individual an Universal Air Exemption! (cue cheering throngs below) Naturally, it won't be the same oxygen-enriched air that the Really Productive Lungs are getting (I deduce that they are more productive based on who pays me the most rents). But the equal UAE will be for Enough Good Air To Live On, thus liberating everyone. Meanwhile, the very best, most oxygen-enriched air is reserved, and will only be released to the Most Productive Entities, based on their AVT payments to me. So let the bidding for the best air begin.
 
And it does give me ownership, as I exist, and have acted, as a matter of right.
False. You have no right to remove others' rights to liberty. How could you?
Sure...as a matter of privilege, not right.
Thank you for agreeing that your claimed right to remove others' rights is not consistently defensible.
That extra land (surplus), which I do not require for survival, as a matter of right, could be taxable, based on privileged behavior. See how that works?
Yes: I see you know full well that your claimed right to remove others' rights can't be consistently defended, so you have abandoned it, and substituted a pathetic attempt to pretend that something can be done once as a right, but magically becomes a privilege when done a second time.
If I sell my original hut first, however, along with the land upon which it rests, thus converting that wealth to a common medium of exchange, I become landless again.
Interestingly enough, there were actually parasites who used that scam to amass unearned wealth by "homesteading" land in the American West over and over again: doing the bare minimum to register their claims, selling their "homesteads" to later arrivals for a fat profit as soon as they qualified for legal title, then moving on to the most promising vacant land to steal.
When I transfer that wealth, including buying land in another area, all of that behavior occurs as a matter of right (liberty and property, including property in the new land I acquire),
Blatant question begging fallacy. You have offered no reason to imagine your claimed property right in land exists.
because those rights are inherent in me, NOT the land.
Strawman fallacy. No one has said the rights are in the land rather than individuals, so enough of the stupid and dishonest strawman crap.
So they transfer with me. But I have no more RIGHT to a monopoly ownership claim on ALL land, and its rents, than does any geoist collective under a "common property" doctrine that extends throughout all time and space.
Another strawman. The obligation to pay rent to those whom you deprive of the land extends only to those whose rights the local government is securing, and to the land in its jurisdiction.
Toshiba buys land. Toshiba is a corporation. There are NO rights involved. Its very existence, along with everything they do (as with any other corporation or collective) is a matter of privilege. Thus, any land they buy is subject to tax, including a tax on any economic advantages, including those that arise from rent-seeking behavior as they compete alongside real people in the land market who have actual rights.
Which cannot include a "right" to remove others' rights.
Their capacity to exist, let alone compete, let alone buy land, can literally be taxed away, and out of existence. Rent-seeking incentives gone, state funded, as more land freed from privileged behavior is made available to those with actual rights.
Nope. Flat wrong. You have merely transferred the rent seeking privileges from corporations to individuals, and called them "rights."
Meanwhile, real individuals who already own land as a matter of right are protected and secure in their individual land rights (the only land rights that actually exist to be reconciled in the first place), because they are neither privileged entities, nor are they behaving as a matter of privilege.
LOL! When Crusoe waves his musket in Friday's face and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water, that's not behaving as a matter of privilege? He has a "right" to do that?

Despicable, evil filth.
Kenyan multimillionaire Imbatu Gamutu purchases land on US soil and builds his hut on it. It's not even a mansion, and not on very much land at all - a tiny fraction of an acre. Nonetheless, he's a foreigner, not a US Citizen, and does not exist or behave on US soil except as a matter of licensed, therefore taxable, privilege.
That is just legalistic nonsense. What makes him "not a US Citizen"? You aren't even trying to talk about human rights any more.
Not everyone exists or behaves as a matter of privilege, but those that do are subject to taxes.
Like those who deprive others of their liberty by dint of privilege: landowners.
Not only LVT, but any tax the state sees fit to impose, for any amount and reason whatsoever.
IOW, you have no interest in whether any given tax is just or efficient. But then, we already knew that from your opposition to LVT, didn't we?
Privileged entities are not even guests in someone else's house, because that would imply that their activity, their stay, is free. They must all pay to play, as the states sees fit, in contrast to real individuals who are free and natural Citizens (to the extent that they exist and behave as a matter of right).
Please explain how Crusoe is behaving "as a matter of right" when he waves his musket in Friday's face and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water.

Thought not.

Despicable, evil filth.
So what was it you were saying again about all that land supposedly being bought up by land speculators,
There is nothing "supposed" about it, as you know very well.
and how private ownership of residential land as a matter of right somehow steals from others, while locking out future generations from land ownership themselves?
It is the inevitable result of appropriating land as private property without making just compensation to those whose rights are thereby removed.
How is that even possible, when the vast majority of economic behavior with regard to land is taxable privileged behavior, by privileged entities, most of which are fictitious persons, and not even real people.
Look what happened everywhere land was made into private property even in the absence of corporate and foreign ("privileged") ownership -- like every feudal society.
If land for real people with rights was getting scarce, and we needed to free up more for real people with rights, RAISE TAXES ON LAND. It won't adversely affect landowners with actual rights (other than falling land prices) because they are immune (to the extent that they are acting as a matter of right).
Your stupid, evil idea has already been tried, lotsa times. Making some landowners taxable and others not just drives all the good land into the hands of the untaxed, making them immensely wealthy through theft of publicly created value, and impoverishing everyone else. In ancient Egypt, it was the priests. In Rome, it was the noble senatorial families. In Mughal India, it was the Muslims. Raising the tax on land just accelerates the process of pushing land into untaxed hands, which invariably destroys the society that tries it.

That is always the result when public policy is based on a relentless spew of vicious, evil, despicable filth.
It could only adversely affect privileged entities and behavior.
All landowning is inherently and by definition privileged behavior by privileged entities.
The resulting fire sale on land would free up land, with lower land prices that would positively affect non-landowners who exist and are behaving as a matter of right, who could actually now have greater opportunity to claim their rights -- to land -- now that a free market became that much less distorted by privileged entities and behavior.
Stupid garbage, as proved above. There would be no "fire sale" on land, because the wealthy, privileged, greedy, UNTAXED landowning elite would snap it up. Why not? It's guaranteed to shovel money into their pockets in return for nothing, forever.
Taxes can be a tool that protects individual rights ONLY if they do not apply to individuals who actually have them.
As the UIE for resident citizens proves. Right. You have a right to deprive others of enough good land for a person to live on. Deprive them of any more, and you'll need to make just compensation: LVT.
The state can get as greedy as it wants with privileged, taxable entities; up to whatever the Taxable Privilege Market will bear.
I.e., the full rent, which LVT can recover.
The more the state taxes privileged entities, the more market opportunities and advantages are created that benefit real people with unalienable rights.
Through the access to opportunity the UIE guarantees.
That's how Mom and Pop's General Corner Store is forever able to compete with Walmart.
You have no idea what you are talking about. WalMart has become rich by owning land, but it doesn't have to own land to out-compete Mom and Pop.
That's your automatic market checks and balances, including checks and balances on the state, in a nutshell.
Where's the check on landowners?
If you want to free up capital, by all means, tax capital, or their gains.
Taxing capital reduces the supply of capital, and taxing capital gains makes capital less free. You clearly know nothing whatever of taxation economics. Nothing.
Real individuals, who are ALWAYS IMMUNE,
Like the Roman nobles...
would be right there to take up all the slack, buying up all the surplus at huge discounts from those privileged entities wanting to avoid a tax.
I.e., something for nothing, for you. Sorry, but there won't be any "huge discounts" on capital for you to take advantage of your privileged tax-free status. Taxing capital removes it from the economy.
Such a tax can only apply to entities that exist and/or behave as a matter of licensed privilege, not unalienable rights. WINNERS: Real individuals with rights. Always.
Stupid garbage with no basis in fact, logic, or economics. Always.
Furthermore, the lowering of land values as a result of increased LVT levy need not result in decreased revenue from taxable privileged entities.
Wrong, as proved above. The land will just flow into untaxed hands.
Their mill rates can go up, regardless of valuations. That's because we don't even need a reason to tax them. We can levy any amount for any reason whatsoever on privileged entities. And because they are not lumped in collectively with real, free and natural human Citizens, those same Citizens cannot be used passively, as human shields, as they do all the fighting for privileged entities on the basis of "rights" that we are ALL presumed to have, as if we were ALL created equal. We are not. Corporations, foreigners, collectives of all kinds are LEGALLY INFERIOR ENTITIES, with inferior legal status. They are welcome only to the extent that they act for our common good, and to the extent that they do not interfere with INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. "WE THE PEOPLE REAL PERSONS" ARE THE FUCKING SPOTTED OWLS - the endangered species.
Incoherent gibberish.
The only entities with a viable claim on land rents (or any other types of economic rent) besides the state (which can tax privileged entities only) are the very individuals whose "land rights" you are PRETENDING to protect and secure.
How would they ever have a just claim on land rents the community creates?
LVT and other taxes are forms of economic Round-Up. You don't spray the whole fucking garden with Round-Up.
I have explained repeatedly why LVT is not like other taxes. It does not stifle the economy, it invigorates it.
You use it on economic weeds only, which are easy enough to identify, especially those plants that are choking off life, space and nutrients of others.
I.e., landowners.
You don't take the only plants that have an actual unalienable RIGHT to exist and thrive anywhere in the garden and label them, presumptively and presumptuously, as weeds.
The landowner qua landowner is in fact ALWAYS a weed, a parasite, and contributes nothing to society but his demands that the productive fill his greedy pockets in return for nothing.
 
The price of land is totally distorted due to inflation.
No, that's just another stupid lie from you. Land value skyrocketed in the decade before the crash, even as inflation continued in low single digits. Certainly land is a good inflation hedge, but that's only because its consistently rising rental value is automatically indexed to inflation. It is immensely valuable even if inflation is zero or negative, as Japan has been proving for 20 years.

But thanks for sharing your total -- and permanently incurable -- ignorance of the subject.
That is caused by central planners.
It is caused by those who issue money. Under our current debt money system, that is private banksters, not "central planners." Your economic ignorance is comprehensive.
Their job is to steal.
It is the landowner whose "job" is to steal, as I have proved to you many times. Remember?

The Bandit

Suppose there is a bandit who lurks in the mountain pass between two countries. He robs the merchant caravans as they pass through, but is careful to take only as much as the merchants can afford to lose, so that they will keep using the pass and he will keep getting the loot.

A thief, right?

Now, suppose he has a license to charge tolls of those who use the pass, a license issued by the government of one of the countries -- or even both of them. The tolls are by coincidence equal to what he formerly took by force. How has the nature of his enterprise changed, simply through being made legal? He is still just a thief. He is still just demanding payment and not contributing anything in return. How can the mere existence of that piece of paper entitling him to rob the caravans alter the fact that what he is doing is in fact robbing them?

But now suppose instead of a license to steal, he has a land title to the pass. He now charges the caravans the exact same amount in "rent" for using the pass, and has become quite a respectable gentleman. But how has the nature of his business really changed? It's all legal now, and he can even pretend that his profits come from his "property rights," not just a special government-issued license. But in fact, he is still just taking money from those who use what nature provided for free, and contributing nothing whatever in return, just as he did when he was a lowly bandit. How is his "business" any different now that he is a landowner?

And for that matter, how is any other landowner charging rent for what nature provided for free any different?

Do the merchants, by using the pass when they know the bandit is there, agree to be robbed? Does their "free choice" to use the pass make it a consensual transaction?

If there were two, or three, or 300, or 3 million passes, each with its own resident bandit, would the merchants' being at "liberty" to choose which bandit robs them somehow make the bandits' enterprises a competitive industry in a free market?

They counterfeit money and hoard resources. For example, the federal government in the United States owns 650 million acres of land in the western states.
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us
How do you imagine that could be relevant? Land out in the middle of the desert, or on a mountainside, or the tundra of Alaska, doesn't relieve the shortage of good land that confers access to economic opportunity.
 
And between the two resources, air or land, which is the most likely to be abused or even destroyed?
History says: the land.
The Air- for the very reason that you cannot own it.
Objectively wrong.
If I own land, I am more likely to want to get value from it and to maintain that value.
Land needs no maintenance, and history shows that people will not hesitate to get value from land they own in ways that reduces its value: not only mining, forestry, and other resource extraction industries, but agriculture that exhausts the soil, over-irrigation that leads to salt build-up, etc.
If it is free and freely accessable, then it is much more likely to be abused- such as pumping air pollution into it. There may be a cost if I damage or pollute yoru land- but it is much harder to punish me for polluting the air. As pointed out a while back, the Tragedy of the Commons.
Which, as pointed out a while back, lying fools continue to misrepresent. Garrett Hardin, the AUTHOR of "The Tragedy of the Commons" AND AN ADVOCATE OF LVT, said later that he should have called it, "The Tragedy of the UNMANAGED Commons," and was dismayed that right-wing liars had appropriated his work as a call for privatization of public resources, when it was actually a call for better public stewardship.
If we take away ownership of land and replace it with rents (the LVT is really a rent- not a tax) then the land is less likely to be protected and cared for than if people are allowed to own it.
Wrong, as proved by every one of the thousands of privately owned vacant lots in every major city in America vs the immaculate conditions in LVT-based leasehold communities like Fairhope, AL and Arden, DE.
 
You just demolished yourself, by self-asphyxiation.
No. You will now spew some stupid, fallacious and dishonest garbage.
There is only one person between us who believes even the smallest area of Earth "owned" by anyone constitutes a theft from everyone. So by your logic, the inventor has STOLEN THE AIR FROM EVERYONE the moment he ran his air compressor and took in and stored the first few cc's of air without "just compensation to everyone" (via the state) -- not when he finally compressed so much air that literally nobody could breathe without paying rents.
Correct. But as no one noticed any difference, no compensation was due. No deprivation --> no compensation.

See how simple everything is if you can just find a willingness to know facts?
If I really was a super-powerful being who could pull off such a feat in the first place, that would make me the EMPEROR (aka the state).
You're clearly lying. There is no relation between such powers and the state.
And once I call myself "The State", I instantly have Roy L. on my side, a trusty minion who will act tireless as my loyal devotee and Air Value Tax emissary.
Stupid lie.
And he will go far, as he can even be one of my Army of Competent Air Appraisers. And all because there is only one person between us who believes in monopolistic presumptive ownership of a vital resource by an entity, so long as that entity is the state,
All landownership is inherently monopolistic.
and so long as it presumes to simply administrate for a fee on behalf of everyone (to secure "air liberty rights" for everyone, doncha know).
That is in fact how people's rights to breathe clean air are secured. You just permanently refuse to know all such facts.
I can then claim that I am only siphoning air out of the atmosphere on everyone's behalf, to make sure that it doesn't get too polluted, or worse yet, "privately" owned by anyone else (because private ownership of air would be evil, natch). As the Air Emperor, and no longer a private entity, I can further claim that by paying me Air Rents (Air Value Tax, or AVT), at least I am the only entity that is in a position to actually take care of the air that I am returning to everyone (for a fee).
The predicted spew of stupid, fallacious and dishonest garbage.
Meanwhile, it is also possible (you would argue, given your logic and past arguments)
Lie.
that I could at least be a benevolent Air Emperor.
Privilege corrupts, and absolute privilege corrupts absolutely.
And I will be! Because I will give every individual an Universal Air Exemption! (cue cheering throngs below) Naturally, it won't be the same oxygen-enriched air that the Really Productive Lungs are getting (I deduce that they are more productive based on who pays me the most rents). But the equal UAE will be for Enough Good Air To Live On, thus liberating everyone. Meanwhile, the very best, most oxygen-enriched air is reserved, and will only be released to the Most Productive Entities, based on their AVT payments to me. So let the bidding for the best air begin.
More of the predicted spew of stupid, fallacious and dishonest garbage.

You really think your readers are so stupid they won't notice the difference between creating a shortage of an abundant resource and administering possession and use of an already-scarce resource?

Well, I guess if they've been with you up to now...
 
False. You have no right to remove others' rights to liberty. How could you?

It's by the same right that I have to steal pixies right off of your front lawn. In broad daylight! Prove the pixies exist, and then prove they were yours, and then sue me.

I see you know full well that your claimed right to remove others' pixies can't be consistently defended...

There, I fixed it for you. But I'll stipulate to it. I stole your pixies, I'm without remorse, and I'd do it again.

Interestingly enough, there were actually parasites who used that scam to amass unearned wealth by "homesteading" land in the American West over and over again: doing the bare minimum to register their claims, selling their "homesteads" to later arrivals for a fat profit as soon as they qualified for legal title, then moving on to the most promising vacant land to steal.

Sounds like a gas. I guess you don't much care for scalpers either.

You have offered no reason to imagine your claimed property right in land exists.

My pixies are more real than your pixies. Stop oppressing my pixies.

No one has said the rights are in the land rather than individuals...

It's implied, given all that "value" from community individuals that "soaks" into the land, like so much piss. I can see why you avoid that analogy, because it forces you to deal with the fact that you're in effect treating the land, not people, as if it had rights.

LOL! When Crusoe waves his musket in Friday's face and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water, that's not behaving as a matter of privilege? He has a "right" to do that?

Wow, I guess Crusoe sucks as an emperor of his island. So much for state benevolence. He should have offered Friday a UIE. Despicable, evil filth.

IOW, you have no interest in whether any given tax is just or efficient. But then, we already knew that from your opposition to LVT, didn't we?

Beg that self-congratulatory stupidity somewhere else. Being in favor of LVT (as you envision it) is not evidence of interest in justice or efficiency.

Please explain how Crusoe is behaving "as a matter of right" when he waves his musket in Friday's face and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water.

Is Crusoe the king? The state?

Making some landowners taxable and others not.... just drives all the good land into the hands of the untaxed...

...which "untaxed" would be "all real people/individual Citizens" only in my scenario. Thanks for the backhanded endorsement of my plan.

In ancient Egypt, it was the priests. That's not ALL real people.
In Rome, it was the noble senatorial families. Again, not ALL real people.
In Mughal India, it was the Muslims. Again, not ALL real people.

Raising the tax on land just accelerates the process of pushing land into untaxed hands...

Kazzactly. And thanks again for that confession, that ringing backhanded endorsement.

...which invariably destroys the society that tries it.

Nah, it just destroys the advantages of those who are taxed. And if it's not real people with rights, whose advantages are being destroyed?

All landowning is inherently and by definition privileged behavior by privileged entities.

You wish. You so wish. Go collectivize someone else, Privilege Communist.

WalMart has become rich by owning land, but it doesn't have to own land to out-compete Mom and Pop.

No, to really do a number on Mom and Pop, it needs to seek out additional artificial advantages, like exemptions and abatements -- inducements by local governments to come to their cities to compete with their Moms and Pops, rather than another city's Moms and Pops.

I have explained repeatedly why LVT is not like other taxes. It does not stifle the economy, it invigorates it.

Whose economy? Who's invigorated by it? As a hive-minded, aggregate-only-thinking collectivist, you'd be blind to any such distinctions, unable to comprehend that you have indeed chosen winners and losers.

The landowner qua landowner is in fact ALWAYS a weed, a parasite, and contributes nothing to society but his demands that the productive fill his greedy pockets in return for nothing.

Fortunately, most people don't buy that mush-brained, class warmongering collectivist crap. So you end up right where Henry George ended up -- losing, and all for lack of critical thinking skills, wisdom and common sense where it counts most.
 
History says: the land.

Objectively wrong.

Land needs no maintenance, and history shows that people will not hesitate to get value from land they own in ways that reduces its value: not only mining, forestry, and other resource extraction industries, but agriculture that exhausts the soil, over-irrigation that leads to salt build-up, etc.

Which, as pointed out a while back, lying fools continue to misrepresent. Garrett Hardin, the AUTHOR of "The Tragedy of the Commons" AND AN ADVOCATE OF LVT, said later that he should have called it, "The Tragedy of the UNMANAGED Commons," and was dismayed that right-wing liars had appropriated his work as a call for privatization of public resources, when it was actually a call for better public stewardship.

Wrong, as proved by every one of the thousands of privately owned vacant lots in every major city in America vs the immaculate conditions in LVT-based leasehold communities like Fairhope, AL and Arden, DE.

Land needs no maintainance, eh? Will this fix itself?
Tar sands pits in Alberta, Canada.
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http://goodcanadiankid.com/canadian-oil-sands/

That used to be a pristine wilderness.
The heavy oil sands of northeast Alberta are expansive geologic formations that cover 140,000 km2 of pristine boreal wilderness – an area slightly smaller then the state of Florida (Johnson and Miyanishi, 2008). The reserves are massive and unprecedented in size, second only to Saudi Arabia, representing a potential supply larger than the conventional oil reserves of Iran, Iraq, and Kuwait (Bott, 2010). Of this available resource, 20% is deemed as economically feasibly for extraction through in-situ techniques (e.g., steam assisted gravity drainage, or SAGD) (Bott, 2010) while approximately 2% is profitable through surface mining operations (Woynillowicz et al., 2005).


Location and range of oil sand deposits in the Athabasca region of northereastern Alberta (adapted from Johnson and Miyanishi, 2008)

Surface mining operations, are, of course, highly destructive, and involve the removal of vast areas of vegetation and surficial hydrologic deposits (Price et al., 2010). Conversely, SAGD is an in-situ process, where wells are installed in pairs that pump oil out of the ground. This technique is of low-impact to the environment, as it involves the installation of a small plant often no larger than a football field. The highly destructive methods of extraction, the type we all see on TV that involve massive trucks and large open pits, makes up only 2% of the entire resource (which, in relative terms, is still quite large!).

As for the air- our air is pretty clean because we have passed laws against pollution and added costs to polluters in the form of fines. Without them, look at what the air in China is like with no or very few penalties for polluting:

A half dozen pictures (thousands more can be found on the internet). http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...impact-of-chinas-air-pollution/article642170/

Same problem with water. Nobody owns the water and about half of their waterways are so polluted that even swimming in them is dangerous.
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=391&catid=10&subcatid=66

WATER POLLUTION IN CHINA



River like blood in Roxian, Guangxi About one third of the industrial waste water and more than 90 percent of household sewage in China is released into rivers and lakes without being treated. Nearly 80 percent of China's cities (278 of them) have no sewage treatment facilities and few have plans to build any and underground water supplies in 90 percent of the cites are contaminated.

Water shortages and water pollution in China are such a problem that the World Bank warns of “catastrophic consequences for future generations.” Half of China’s population lacks safe drinking water. Nearly two thirds of China’s rural population—more than 500 million people—use water contaminated by human and industrial waste.

In summer of 2011, the China government reported 43 percent of state-monitored rivers are so polluted, they're unsuitable for human contact. By one estimate one sixth of China’s population is threatened by seriously polluted water. One study found that eight of 10 Chinese coastal cities discharge excessive amounts of sewage and pollutants into the sea, often near coastal resorts and sea farming areas. Water pollution is especially bad along the coastal manufacturing belt. Despite the closure of thousands of paper mills, breweries, chemical factories and other potential sources of contamination, the water quality along a third of the waterway falls far below even the modest standards that the government requires. Most of China’s rural areas have no system in place to treat waste water.

A study by China’s Environmental Protection Agency in February 2010 said that water pollution levels were double what the government predicted them to be mainly because agricultural waste was ignored. China’s 's first pollution census in 2010 revealed farm fertilizer was a bigger source of water contamination than factory effluent.


water pollution by Caijing Water pollution—caused primarily by industrial waste, chemical fertilizers and raw sewage— accounts for half of the $69 billion that the Chinese economy loses to pollution every year. About 11.7 million pounds of organic pollutants are emitted into Chinese waters very day, compared to 5.5 in the United States, 3.4 in Japan, 2.3 in Germany, 3.2 in India, and 0.6 in South Africa.

Water consumed by people in China contains dangerous levels of arsenic, fluorine and sulfates. An estimated 980 million of China’s 1.3 billion people drink water every day that is partly polluted. More than 600 million Chinese drink water contaminated with human or animal wastes and 20 million people drink well water contaminated with high levels of radiation. A large number of arsenic-tainted water have been discovered. China’s high rates of liver, stomach and esophageal cancer have been linked to water pollution.

In many cases factories fouling critical water sources are making goods consumed by people in the U.S. and Europe. Problems created by China’s water pollution are not just confined to China either. Water pollution and garbage produced in China floats down its rivers to the sea and is carried by prevailing winds and currents to Japan and South Korea.

Water pollution and shortages are a more serious problem in northern China than southern China. The percentage of water considered unfit for human consumption is 45 percent in northern China, compared to 10 percent in southern China. Some 80 percent of the rivers in the northern province of Shanxi have been rated “unfit for human contact.”

A poll conducted by the Pew Research Center before the 2008 Olympics found that 68 percent of the Chinese interviewed said they were concerned about water pollution.
 
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And how is pollution in that often cited LVT paradise of Hong Kong?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-hongkong-pollution-idUSBRE8710IA20120802

Air pollution in Hong Kong, a former British colony which returned to Chinese rule in 1997, is a major source of worry for local citizens and foreign businesses, which increasingly see it as compromising the quality of life.

In a recent survey by human resources consultancy ECA International, Hong Kong distinguished itself as a place where its air quality was among the worst in the world.

The pollution comes largely from coal-fired power stations and traffic, though a significant contribution wafts down from the tens of thousands of factories in China's neighboring manufacturing heartland of the Pearl River Delta.

Under intense lobbying, the government has been gradually tightening its air-quality objectives and monitoring measures to meet World Health Organization standards, but these remain far short of global guidelines, green groups say.

The buildings sparkle and glisten and reach for the skies and the streets are clean (they are owned) but the air, which is not owned, is among the worst in the world.

And their water (drinking water is treated but the waste water which runs into the ocean is polluted).
http://gbraga2.blogspot.com/2007/05/water-pollution-in-hong-kong.html

Guangdong's coastal waters have been turned into a huge rubbish dump, with massive amounts of pollution being discharged into the sea, according to an official report.
Feng Weizhong , a senior engineer with the State Oceanic Administration's South China Sea Marine Prediction Centre, said Hong Kong was badly affected by pollution carried by currents from Guangdong.

The Nanfang Daily reported at the weekend that 12.62 billion tonnes of "polluted materials" and 8.3 billion tonnes of waste water were discharged into the waters off Guangdong last year, up 60 per cent from five years ago.

The "2006 Guangdong Sea Environment Quality Report" said offshore pollution had worsened in recent years and the ecological damage in the Pearl River Estuary was irreparable in the short term.

Li Zhujiang , director of the Guangdong Provincial Oceanic and Fishery Administration, which issued the report, asked for more investment and said Guangdong should implement its own policies - tougher than national ones - to cut back on pollution.

The report, which looked at data from 75 water quality stations in 13 cities, said the most polluted offshore areas were at Shantou, Zhanjiang and the Pearl River estuary, which includes Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan , Zhongshan and Zhuhai .

Water quality off Shantou, Zhanjiang's port and the Pearl River mouth was rated grade four, suitable only for industrial use. Under the mainland's five-tier rating system, water graded one to three is deemed suitable for human consumption.
 
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