We shouldn't even know what Paul's religion is!

Wow. You're still dwelling on that? Wouldn't you rather address the main point I've been trying to make in this thread?

I've already addressed it and totally destroyed it. Your only argument as to why Ron Paul should follow your advice is that not following it might drive away non Christian voters. But the numerical evidence shows he has more to lose from following your advice than he would from not following it.
 
I've already addressed it and totally destroyed it. Your only argument as to why Ron Paul should follow your advice is that not following it might drive away non Christian voters. But the numerical evidence shows he has more to lose from following your advice than he would from not following it.

After all this time, you've learned nothing.
 
My morality is right in line with God's all moral nature. To sum it up:

# Under theism, God accounts for moral values because he is a perfect being and goodness is part of his nature
# Under theism, God’s commands account for moral duties
# Under atheism, morality is just an evolved convention, in which case it is not actually morality
# If morality is evolved convention, it doesn’t refer to anything objective
# We can imagine moral conventions evolving differently; therefore they aren’t objective

I could see that some Atheists liked to use the word "edited" and "translated" to mean that they totally made it up as they went along, but the editing was the translation! If I say "huevos" in one book and then I say "eggs" in another have I changed the contents of the book? Clearly not, don't play with semantics. Also interpretation does need to be accounted for, especially when you include the social and historical elements of those times. It's easy for someone to say "oh hey look, this passage says if your arm causes you to sin, cut it off. I guess that means we literally need to cut our arms off." Or we can have some insight and think, perhaps this is a metaphor to separate ourselves from temptation if we are fully aware what is tempting us. I see alot of "God is a fairytale" or "the bible is a book created by creative men". But you have to give an argument for why that is the case. You can't translate doubt into reason. As for the main point of this post, it has been said time and time again why it is relevant, but the creator of this post can't seem to get the picture.
 
My morality is right in line with God's all moral nature. To sum it up:

# Under theism, God accounts for moral values because he is a perfect being and goodness is part of his nature
# Under theism, God’s commands account for moral duties
# Under atheism, morality is just an evolved convention, in which case it is not actually morality
# If morality is evolved convention, it doesn’t refer to anything objective
# We can imagine moral conventions evolving differently; therefore they aren’t objective

I could see that some Atheists liked to use the word "edited" and "translated" to mean that they totally made it up as they went along, but the editing was the translation! If I say "huevos" in one book and then I say "eggs" in another have I changed the contents of the book? Clearly not, don't play with semantics. Also interpretation does need to be accounted for, especially when you include the social and historical elements of those times. It's easy for someone to say "oh hey look, this passage says if your arm causes you to sin, cut it off. I guess that means we literally need to cut our arms off." Or we can have some insight and think, perhaps this is a metaphor to separate ourselves from temptation if we are fully aware what is tempting us. I see alot of "God is a fairytale" or "the bible is a book created by creative men". But you have to give an argument for why that is the case. You can't translate doubt into reason. As for the main point of this post, it has been said time and time again why it is relevant, but the creator of this post can't seem to get the picture.

Okay, we can continue Bible talk. None of us know what was going down when the Bible was written. It could have been written as a moral lesson, partial history lesson, or just a poetry lesson. But anyone who thinks mankind all came from one man and one woman or that Noah had a boat with two of every animal, is an ignorant fool. It's either a wild exaggeration of true events or straight up mythology.
 
I agree with Barry Goldwater on this point he made:

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I believe that knowing a person's religion can reveal their motives. To me it is important to know what a person believes in while in office. I want to know if we have a theocrat such as Sarah Palin who is extremely radical or Michele Bachmann who is also extremely radical. Ron Paul on the other hand exemplifies Christ teachings and that lines up with liberty and peace and therefore I know where he gets some of his wisdom. I think it is important nowdays to know what a person believes because you can see clearer into their motives.
 
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I believe that knowing a person's religion can reveal their motives. To me it is important to know what a person believes in while in office. I want to know if we have a theocrat such as Sarah Palin who is extremely radical or Michele Bachmann who is also extremely radical. Ron Paul on the other hand exemplifies Christ teachings and that lines up with liberty and peace and therefore I know where he gets some of his wisdom. I think it is important nowdays to know what a person believes because you can see clearer into their motives.

To a degree, I totally agree. Like finding out that a candidate believes in creationism and can't accept scientific evidence.
 
Mankind didn't start with just Lucy either. Evolution goes way beyond her.

Hmmm....

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/evolution/female-ancestor.htm

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago.

And just to be clear, earlier you said:

But anyone who thinks mankind all came from one man and one woman ... is an ignorant fool.

So are these geneticists ignorant fools, yes or no?
 
Hmmm....

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/evolution/female-ancestor.htm

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago.

And just to be clear, earlier you said:

But anyone who thinks mankind all came from one man and one woman ... is an ignorant fool.

So are these geneticists ignorant fools, yes or no?

You may wanna read everything again and try to comprehend my point. To make it simple, I'm saying that God did not put Adam and Eve in a garden where they started mankind.
 
You may wanna read everything again and try to comprehend my point. To make it simple, I'm saying that God did not put Adam and Eve in a garden where they started mankind.

That might be what you meant, but what you said is
But anyone who thinks mankind all came from one man and one woman ... is an ignorant fool.
. Do you want to retract that ignorant statement now?

Here's your problem. The idea that mankind came from one man and one woman is a superset of the idea that God created Adam and Eve and put them in Eden. Your argument was too broad. Now if you had some science to back up your original broad argument that would be one thing, but you don't. That's what ewowe1's point was when he asked "Doesn't everyone believe this"? It's apparent that the only problem you have with Adam and Eve is the "God" part. That's fine I guess. Maybe you think anyone who believes in God is an ignorant fool? But where does that put Ron Paul?
 
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That might be what you meant, but what you said is
But anyone who thinks mankind all came from one man and one woman ... is an ignorant fool.
. Do you want to retract that ignorant statement now?

Here's your problem. The idea that mankind came from one man and one woman is a superset of the idea that God created Adam and Eve and put them in Eden. Your argument was too broad. Now if you had some science to back up your original broad argument that would be one thing, but you don't. That's what ewowe1's point was when he asked "Doesn't everyone believe this"? It's apparent that the only problem you have with Adam and Eve is the "God" part. That's fine I guess. Maybe you think anyone who believes in God is an ignorant fool? But where does that put Ron Paul?

You're going way off track. Let me put it this way, anyone who didn't understand my point is an ignorant fool. It's obvious I was talking about the Biblical Adam and Eve story.
 
You're going way off track. Let me put it this way, anyone who didn't understand my point is an ignorant fool. It's obvious I was talking about the Biblical Adam and Eve story.

Anyone who thinks he can dance around his stupid use of the English language like you are doing by attacking those pointing out the flaws in his reasoning is an ignorant fool. Here's the deal. If you want to be considered intelligent you just can't go around "name calling" the other side. You have to put forward a cogent reason as to why you're right. Ron Paul is a Baptist so there's a better than 50% chance that he thinks the Adam and Eve story is at least believable. Are you ready to call him an "ignorant fool" on his own forum? Now, we all know you don't believe the Adam and Eve story. So freaking what? What scientific claim are you prepared to make other than "I just don't believe the Bible"? Saying "It's genetically impossible for all of humanity to have descended from one or two human beings" is a scientific argument. It just happens to be wrong.
 
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Anyone who thinks he can dance around his stupid use of the English language like you are doing by attacking those pointing out the flaws in his reasoning is an ignorant fool. Here's the deal. If you want to be considered intelligent you just can't go around "name calling" the other side. You have to put forward a cogent reason as to why you're right. Ron Paul is a Baptist so there's a better than 50% chance that he thinks the Adam and Eve story is at least believable. Are you ready to call him an "ignorant fool" on his own forum? Now, we all know you don't believe the Adam and Eve story. So freaking what? What scientific claim are you prepared to make other than "I just don't believe the Bible"? Saying "It's genetically impossible for all of humanity to have descended from one or two human beings" is a scientific argument. It just happens to be wrong.

Are you saying you believe God put two people on this earth and that's where maknind originated from?
 
Are you saying you believe God put two people on this earth and that's where maknind originated from?

I'm saying that you haven't disproven that belief. Ron Paul apparently believes it. (During the 2008 campaign he both denied the idea that evolution was "wrong" as well as the idea that evolution was "proven".)



I'm also saying that so far you have yet to put forward a cogent argument. In fact you haven't done that from your starting point of this thread. It's one thing to be "right" (and I don't think you're right). It's quite another to at least put forward an intelligent argument as to why you are right. There are several ways the story of Adam and Eve have been attacked over the years. One was that people argued, like you did, that it was impossible for humanity to have descended from 1 or 2 modern humans. Well modern science has now debunked the debunkers and confirmed the creation story on at least that one point. I would expect you to pick some other point of attack, rather than to resort to ad hominems. But apparently that's beyond you.
 
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